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I’m saying I want an established number one who can really make the
this thread has been going since September. Thats an old post.
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[Albion] Steele and Webster
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Psychobilly freakout
HellBilly
You mean they might have actually played football, they were diving all over the place and wasting time after two minutes, the ref was also let several fouls go.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Internet troll is right. Thank you for being honest.
Farehamseagull
Solly March Fan Club
The fact you're quoting one example from over 40 years ago, and which ultimately didn't work, kind of proves my point.
No need for the sarcastic tone of the second paragraph. May as well shut all football forums down if we're not allowed to discuss or criticize manager decisions.
The Fits
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- Jun 29, 2020
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Clearly JS is becoming a divisive player here. His ability on the ball is undeniable.
I don't know if he genuinely is just a freak with the ball at his feet and i suspect the suggestion no other GK could do it is a bit naive. We've no idea how other GKs would perform playing the way RDZ does.
But I do know two things.
Firstly both statistically and just by using your eyes JS isn't a top level GK when it comes to shot stopping, aerially etc.
Secondly, and most importantly, rotating GKs feels even more detrimental to a teams rhythm and a players confidence than any outfield position.
So for me this isn't on either GK.
On the one hand you've got a player who for most of his career has been bang average, who's had an almost miraculous turnaround in his footballing fortunes and is brilliant on the ball and on the other you have a very young but very highly rated player who probably has a better all round game but doesn't 'get' RDZ quite as much. It's a difficult choice but being a manager is about making difficult choices.
For all of RDZs many plusses I can't help but think this has been one of his big mistakes.
How much better would we be doing in a season where we've done really well if at the start of the season he'd taken one of them into his office and said 'you're my man this year'? It's difficult to know. But because of the Raya/Ramsdale thing, every ex pro seemed to be saying rotating GKs is crazy and no other manager does it. Even Arteta quickly stuck with one (despite the fact many Arsenal fans I know rate AR more highly).
Many on here were hoping that all this rotation would eventually bring a kind of zen like fluidity to our play. That by this time in the season any player could come in to any position seamlessly.
That doesn't appear to have happened. That isn't just because of RDZs rotation. We've been decimated by injury. Cam P coming in and looking like one of our average youth teamers who's hardly played with the first team happened because Cam P is an average youth teamer who's hardly played with the first team.
Similarly, GKs having periods of looking like they've hardly played with the players ahead of them (and we have spells of this many games this year) happens because that is what it is too.
The same can be said for Webster. If there's anything we know about him it's that he needs a few games to get up to speed. He won't get that here now, not least because in his case he is actually down the pecking order. How can a player who is notorious for being slow to find form find any if he only plays once a month?
Tldr- ire directed at the players feels a little unfair. Injuries, increased games, the obvious workload in both training and matches under RDZ and his obsession with rotation are all a recipe for inconsistency. Ultimately we take it because RDZ has unquestionably taken us to another level. It is what it is.
I don't know if he genuinely is just a freak with the ball at his feet and i suspect the suggestion no other GK could do it is a bit naive. We've no idea how other GKs would perform playing the way RDZ does.
But I do know two things.
Firstly both statistically and just by using your eyes JS isn't a top level GK when it comes to shot stopping, aerially etc.
Secondly, and most importantly, rotating GKs feels even more detrimental to a teams rhythm and a players confidence than any outfield position.
So for me this isn't on either GK.
On the one hand you've got a player who for most of his career has been bang average, who's had an almost miraculous turnaround in his footballing fortunes and is brilliant on the ball and on the other you have a very young but very highly rated player who probably has a better all round game but doesn't 'get' RDZ quite as much. It's a difficult choice but being a manager is about making difficult choices.
For all of RDZs many plusses I can't help but think this has been one of his big mistakes.
How much better would we be doing in a season where we've done really well if at the start of the season he'd taken one of them into his office and said 'you're my man this year'? It's difficult to know. But because of the Raya/Ramsdale thing, every ex pro seemed to be saying rotating GKs is crazy and no other manager does it. Even Arteta quickly stuck with one (despite the fact many Arsenal fans I know rate AR more highly).
Many on here were hoping that all this rotation would eventually bring a kind of zen like fluidity to our play. That by this time in the season any player could come in to any position seamlessly.
That doesn't appear to have happened. That isn't just because of RDZs rotation. We've been decimated by injury. Cam P coming in and looking like one of our average youth teamers who's hardly played with the first team happened because Cam P is an average youth teamer who's hardly played with the first team.
Similarly, GKs having periods of looking like they've hardly played with the players ahead of them (and we have spells of this many games this year) happens because that is what it is too.
The same can be said for Webster. If there's anything we know about him it's that he needs a few games to get up to speed. He won't get that here now, not least because in his case he is actually down the pecking order. How can a player who is notorious for being slow to find form find any if he only plays once a month?
Tldr- ire directed at the players feels a little unfair. Injuries, increased games, the obvious workload in both training and matches under RDZ and his obsession with rotation are all a recipe for inconsistency. Ultimately we take it because RDZ has unquestionably taken us to another level. It is what it is.
Justice
Dangerous Idiot
Well of course they were and it worked.
el punal
Well-known member
Okay, I accept your first sentence.
The second part wasn’t aimed at you. Yes, I admit it was sarcastic so apologies if it offended. I got the hump because of the following : We lost to Wolves, I had a sleepless night, I’m grumpy, I overreacted to posts that I would normally just ignore and the weather is shit. Apart from that everything is grand.
'Stealing A Living' is League 2 at best.
Booooooooooooo
Booooooooooooo
I shall be very surprised if Webbo is here next season. He is patently not favoured by the boss and I don’t think anything he does will change that. He really doesn’t get a look in and being 30 next January, I am sure he would rather play more football than being way down the pecking order for a club where it is clear the manager doesn’t rate him.
It wasn't. It was posted this morning, referencing 'last night'.
The Fits
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I totally agree. They're very different conundrums but if RDZ is here in September it's hard to imagine Webster being here too.
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I’ve seen enough now to say I personally would prefer Verbruggen as permanent number one.
London Irish
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And I've seen enough of the Steele baiting to know RDZ will carry on regardless
Justice
Dangerous Idiot
Have to agree with your last paragraph all football forums discuss owners/managers/tactics. In fact many fans can see what’s not working before the manager finally gets it. How many had that oh ffs when the team sheet was released I certainly did. Two minutes in and he’s flapping like a sheet in the wind.
Seagull58
In the Algarve
His shot-stopping and aerial ability are not good enough. I won't judge his ability in the other 6 yard box on one example only.
London Irish
Well-known member
He was superb at Spurs but there's a section of our fan base who won't allow the guy to have one band game
maltaseagull
Well-known member
Well said.
Too many know it all superior bar stewards these days
sussex_guy2k2
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Conversely, there’s many in our fan base who thinks it’s acceptable for him to consistently underachieve in games.
Take it up with RDZ then ? I dare them