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[Football] Caicedo and MacAllister, How Well Have They Done Since They Left Us?



JBizzle

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How does Caicedo keep not getting sent off? He should have gone against us and last week against city. He was also arguably lucky to stay on the field yesterday.
Given that he moves about the pitch like an old man these days, one can only assume that referees see his consistent fouling as being as a result of his soon-to-be retiring immobility and poor timing, rather than malice. The problem is, this isn't Casemiro at 32, it's Caicedo at 22 and you'd be hard pressed to demonstrate too much difference in their playing styles at the moment.

Maybe that £300k p/w 8-year contract has dulled his motivation and ambition somewhat?
 






Slum_Wolf

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How does Caicedo keep not getting sent off? He should have gone against us and last week against city. He was also arguably lucky to stay on the field yesterday.
VAR to ref: 'OK, checked shiny badge, no red, check over'...easy...
 


Thunder Bolt

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We didn't have any choice about Mac Allister going because he had made sure there was a release clause in his contract. So blessing or no blessing he was off.
His agent is his father not some fly by night 'agent'.
 


Thunder Bolt

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But regardless, why do you hate him for that? Him turning down Liverpool added several million onto our fee, that's a good thing right?
I know money is a 'god' in football but there are some decent people in the business.
 




Hamilton

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This is hilarious. Maybe he just doesn't know who Todd is. :lolol:

I am looking forward to not giving a toss who Chelsea are again soon, but for now...

 


Kalimantan Gull

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I don't agree with you here. Romano is a Chelsea mouthpiece and he only had eyes for them even when we accepted a bid from Liverpool. Some might say the agent's percentage of an even higher fee and 8 year contract would be far preferable, never mind what other transactions might have taken place. It was murky, unpleasant and disloyal. I hope the bloke rots there.

I'm sorry but what? In hindsight I think that whole public auction thing for Caicedo was pretty shoddy, I can't remember anything comparable. Treating players like commodities for people to haggle over is very unedifying, and they shouldn't be sold to a club against their will. He preferred Chelsea, nothing wrong with that, we've had plenty of players prefer to sign for Brighton over other clubs, and weve lost out on people like Kudus in the same way. He chose Chelsea over Liverpool and that's fine, that's up to him. Hoping he rots there because of it is, yeah, extreme.
 


Kalimantan Gull

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If he had taken the Liverpool offer he would be in a title and Europa league race and have a winners medal already around his neck but went for the cash at Chelsea where they will now be hoping for a chance to match Brightons old target of establishing themselves as a team in the top 10.

He looks shot of confidence, lost and nowhere near the player he was for us. In comparison Macallister is now one of Liverpool’s most influential players. Macallister had good people around him and is a lot smarter than Moises so has made the right move for his career.

That is all true. However I would also wager that Mac Allister is earning more than Caicedo, so possibly unfair to throw the 'went for the cash' thing at him. Unfortunately he got lumbered with a shite manager.
 




Guinness Boy

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I'm sorry but what? In hindsight I think that whole public auction thing for Caicedo was pretty shoddy, I can't remember anything comparable. Treating players like commodities for people to haggle over is very unedifying, and they shouldn't be sold to a club against their will. He preferred Chelsea, nothing wrong with that, we've had plenty of players prefer to sign for Brighton over other clubs, and weve lost out on people like Kudus in the same way. He chose Chelsea over Liverpool and that's fine, that's up to him. Hoping he rots there because of it is, yeah, extreme.
Chelsea unsettled him. They used their classic tactics, butter up the agent, use Romano and that pound shop English version of him they've got to stir things up on social media and, when all that failed, pay way over the odds. It's the only way Boehly knows. He's a petulant, dog-in-the-manger child who has no original thoughts himself but uses his wealth and position to steal everyone else's. And it's all grimly backfiring. Just wait until they have to sell players or face a points deduction and no one wants their overpriced flops.

It was a terrible footballing decision by Caicedo and therefore clearly only about money for him and his agent and living in London. Fine, if those are your drivers but I find it delicious every time it goes wrong. Sorry. :shrug:
 


martin tyler

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That is all true. However I would also wager that Mac Allister is earning more than Caicedo, so possibly unfair to throw the 'went for the cash' thing at him. Unfortunately he got lumbered with a shite manager.
If figures floated about are correct Moises will earn 7.8 mil across 8 years working out to 150k a week. Alexis Macallister reported to be the same. Now once trophy bonuses and performance related pay are taken into account Ali Mac is prob on twice the money.

Liverpool short term was always a perfect fit caicedo - long term with Klopp leaving who knows.
 






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Garry Nelson's Left Foot

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I thought Mac Allister was the best midfielder on the pitch yesterday.

Caicedo wasn't even the best dm. Taking any feelings about how he moved/who he moved too it's a real shame seeing a player that had the world at his feet turn into one that barely looks premier league level.

When you think how good he was and could/should be it's shocking to see what he currently is. He's a shadow of himself on and off the ball. I hope for his sake he refinds whatever it is that he's lost otherwise he's got a long(as in many years), stagnant spell on the Chelsea bench ahead of him.

I really, really wish he'd moved to Liverpool.
 


Not Andy Naylor

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It has been strongly hinted to me that a Chelsea employee who had knowledge of Ally Mac's contract - you can probably make an educated guess at who that might be - leaked the details of the release clause to Liverpool, so that Mac Allister would go there and leave the way clear for Chelsea to get Caicedo with no competition from Anfield to push the price up. If true, then that worked out very well.
 




GT49er

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It has been strongly hinted to me that a Chelsea employee who had knowledge of Ally Mac's contract - you can probably make an educated guess at who that might be - leaked the details of the release clause to Liverpool, so that Mac Allister would go there and leave the way clear for Chelsea to get Caicedo with no competition from Anfield to push the price up. If true, then that worked out very well.
Well, worked out well for us,and for Mac Alister, I suppose. Didn't do much of a job stopping Liverpool stepping in and forcing Chelsea to pay more for Caicedo though.
Like other posters, I too wish Caicedo had gone to Liverpool instead. Apart from MacAllister (and Burn, but he was a special case, wanting to return home), I wonder why it's only skanky London clubs that seem to go for our big players?
 


BLOCK F

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I agree with you here. He was the initial pivot but then part of all our passing patterns. He was charged with winning the ball high after we'd attacked but was young, quick and strong enough to come back and make good recovery tackles. He was absolutely key to RDZ ball last season and we've not replaced it, a proper box to box midfielder. Chelsea don't use him that way.


I don't agree with you here. Romano is a Chelsea mouthpiece and he only had eyes for them even when we accepted a bid from Liverpool. Some might say the agent's percentage of an even higher fee and 8 year contract would be far preferable, never mind what other transactions might have taken place. It was murky, unpleasant and disloyal. I hope the bloke rots there.
‘I hope the bloke rots there.’
Jesus Christ, what a horrific thing to say about a naive 21 year old who did fantastically well for us and also made the club a fortune. Yes, he was misguided and probably not the brightest, but to say, ‘ I hope he rots there’ is an abysmal thing to say about a young man like Caicedo. Anyone would think you are describing some low life fit for nothing but a long jail term.😳😰
 


Mexican Seagull

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Mac has: Larger than life, all in, serial winner & people manager + tremendous leader on the pitch in VD + great goal scoring front line
Caicedo has: detached won nothing (apart from waltzing teh French league with PSG) manager, no leader on the pitch, nor any proven goalscorers

Yes tough for Caicedo and likely no change until Chelsea get all that sorted out, hopefully never.....
 


GT49er

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Quote https://www.northstandchat.com/thre...ince-they-left-us.403314/reply?quote=11034615
But regardless, why do you hate him for that? Him turning down Liverpool added several million onto our fee, that's a good thing right?
As I understood it at the time (and fair enough, I know that none of us who weren't actually there knows anything (except Romano :facepalm:)) Liverpool outbid Chelsea,, but we wouldn't accept the higher bid because Moises' wouldn't sign (or his agent or his mum couldn't let him).
I also understood that Chelsea re-bid, with add-ons to take their bid up to the level of Liverpool's - wonder how valuable those add-ons are, realistically. If they start at £5M for lacing his own boots I suppose they might be OK, but if They're based on performance and winning things ...................
 
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Uncle Spielberg

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Caicedo looks bang average now. They would struggle to get £ 50 m for him. Another example of a toxic club and to think he had the option to join Liverpool. A laughable decision
 


Pavilionaire

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The Caicedo / Enzo Fernandez CM pairing reminds me of Sven's persistence with Lampard / Gerrard, in that it is a dream pairing on paper but cannot work in practice.

Injuries have disrupted the personnel of the Chelsea backline but then if Poch had established a way of playing the personnel should have been interchangeable in that system.

That said, the Chelsea line-up has begun to stabilise over the last 6 or 7 weeks but still they look brittle in defence and profligate in attack.
 


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