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[Albion] Sam Jewell



Stato

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HisBetterBall said:
Listen stato I get where your coming from but newcastle may be slightly ahead of us in the football leauge, but if a team like Manchester City make a serious offer for Isak, he will most likely leave. Remember football now is all about money, if you was a footballer and was offered a great offer by man city wouldn't you take it?
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I don't think that you do get where I'm coming from. My post was a tongue in cheek jibe at the hubris of shameless Newcastle fans who were happy to abandon any moral principles because they imagined that the Saudi money would immediately see them become Real Madrid.

In answer to your question - No. If I was a footballer, I'd be the softest touch at contract negotiation time because all I'd want to do is play for Brighton. If I could do that, I'd be happy to struggle by on the £15k a week pittance (£780,000 per year) that Chelsea fans said we were insulting Caicedo with. I've got a family to keep, but not a whole Ecuadorian village, I reckon I'd get by.
 




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Justice said:
I find it strange that these so called top clubs think the way to succeed is to take staff from a mid table side/maybe top ten if we are lucky occasionally. I could understand if we were comfortably sitting in the champions league spots.
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I tend to agree with this, it's a bit odd... I'm guessing the thinking is that if all the talent that Sam has helped identify was playing in the first XI right now then (arguably) we'd be in the top six... If we consider all the players we've sold in the past two seasons, if we'd kept them then I'd guess we'd be very much in the CL picture. I suppose the 'big' clubs like 'Chelsea' can expect to benefit from the cumulative impact of actually being able to retain their best players...

It's still a risk, but then again any appointment in football is I guess...

I'd hate to see another one of our superb back of house team leave, but unless we're prepared to keep hold of our talent on the pitch we can't really expect to retain those off it either :( but shucks, that isn't our model... so we have to keep magically and unsustainably recruiting ever more talented bods just to keep up with our own pace, never mind the ££££££££££££££££££££ brigade in blue... eventually we'll reach an impasse and enter a phase of decline, that's why the top table has had the same fat arses sat at for decades. sigh.
 
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Justice

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Kosh said:
I tend to agree with this, it's a bit odd... I'm guessing the thinking is that if all the talent that Sam has helped identify was playing in the first XI right now then (arguably) we'd be in the top six... If we consider all the players we've sold in the past two seasons, if we'd kept them then I'd guess we'd be very much in the CL picture and I suppose the 'big' clubs like 'Chelsea' can expect to benefit from the cumulative impact of actually being able to retain their best players...

It's still a risk, but then again any appointment in football is I guess...

I'd hate to see another one of our superb back of house team leave, but unless we're prepared to keep hold of our talent on the pitch we can't really expect to retain those off it either :( but shucks, that isn't our model... so we have to keep magically and unsustainably recruiting ever more talented bods just to keep up with our own pace, never mind the ££££££££££££££££££££ brigade in blue... eventually we'll reach an impasse and enter a phase of decline, that's why the top table has had the same fat arses sat at for decades. sigh.
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The big difference is we play our youngsters which in turn they get better and then the rest of the football world takes notice. Those first team opportunities won’t come around easily at the top end clubs so how are they going to play youngsters and have the patience as they will make mistakes. This is where the vision falls down for them. They may have the people to sign them yet they won’t have a coach willing to play them.
 




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jackalbion said:
That worked so well the last time didn't it?
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Knee jerk response after Man United’s alleged interest. Unbelievable.
I expect that he would prefer the Man United job under Ashworth. I would, rather than Chelsea.
Anyway, Chelsea won’t be able to recruit anyone due to their profitability and sustainability position, unless they sell loads of home grown talent.
 
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Justice said:
The big difference is we play our youngsters which in turn they get better and then the rest of the football world takes notice. Those first team opportunities won’t come around easily at the top end clubs so how are they going to play youngsters and have the patience as they will make mistakes. This is where the vision falls down for them. They may have the people to sign them yet they won’t have a coach willing to play them.
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And as is happening now at Chelsea, if you sweet shop spree players without any discernible plan, playing style etc you end up with a bloated unhappy squad, especially when success is not immediate. Chucking stupid sums of money at absolutely everything in a football club will never bring about a sustainable business..if FFP etc can be applied robustly perhaps there is a chance things will change for the better over the next few years. I’m positive that an awful lot of Chelsea’s recent signings and their agent$ did not consider the impact on their careers that their transfer fees, wages and length of contracts could have should success not be forthcoming.
 






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HisBetterBall said:
Remember football now is all about money, if you was a footballer and was offered a great offer by man city wouldn't you take it?
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Yep. Caicedo could have gone to Liverpool - they matched Chelsea's offer - but presumably Chelsea were offering more moolah so he took the loot. He would have certainly massively increased his Brighton salary by going to Anfield but sponds in his pocket trumps European glory. Seems mad to me: if I were good enough, I'd much rather play at the highest level at a massive salary than scuff around mid-table for a slightly more massive salary but clearly most footballers feel differently. Hence the pull of the Saudi league
 


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Gwylan said:
Yep. Caicedo could have gone to Liverpool - they matched Chelsea's offer - but presumably Chelsea were offering more moolah so he took the loot. He would have certainly massively increased his Brighton salary by going to Anfield but sponds in his pocket trumps European glory. Seems mad to me: if I were good enough, I'd much rather play at the highest level at a massive salary than scuff around mid-table for a slightly more massive salary but clearly most footballers feel differently. Hence the pull of the Saudi league
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Think in his case Chelsea were offering his agent more moolah...
 




Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo

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Don't panic about losing Jewell to United. There is a thread on the Palace BBS, where they are all panicking that Sir Jim R is going to poach DOUGIE FREEDMAN from them, for the role.

I'm genuinely not making this up! :lolol:
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Freedman has been linked with the job in the press since before Xmas. He's very close friends with Sir Alex who still holds a lot of sway at Old Trafford. Dougie apparently ignored the advice Sir Alex gave him to take the Hearts managers job, he instead decided to become DOF at Palace, which has opened the pathway for his possible move now. Although I'm sure all that said Ashworth would be their first choice, but they'll be sounding out more than one candidate.
 




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We’ll have a plan. I find all of this hype about individuals in the backroom teams of clubs quite puzzling. It’s about the blend of talent surely and how it all works together. Co-ordinating that seems to be Ashworth’s strength - and his track record suggest he is very good at it - but he’s now being credited in the supposedly cerebral newspapers with singlehandedly signing Mac & Caicedo for peanuts and making Albion a massive profit. And so the legend grows. Even if that was true (unlikely) Ashworth didn’t personally transform them into great talents or absolutely spank Chelsea for a gigantic fee.

Sam Jewell sounds like an excellent operator and I hope he sticks around. Over the years though there’ve been loads of these type of moves & how often does the individual reproduce the same ‘magic’ at another club. Working from my sketchy memory, wasn’t it Everton that took Leicester’s top guy (Steve Walsh?) That went well. Once upon a time Graham Carr was the star maker at Newcastle - then barely talked about again, other than being Alan’s dad. And we seemingly thought David Burke was the key to Southampton’s success, before ending up with Chris O’Grady as our big scoring hope. I think it’s the nature of the business, a bit like playing the stock market, that there are hits and misses. A few high profile hits and you’re considered a genius but nobody’s immune from a downturn.

Even with someone apparently as well-connected as Jewell, you still need to provide the right environment for the player, the right coaching to improve them, the right team ethic and players around them plus the right negotiator to rinse the next buyer, who then spends 2 years wondering why the lad looked so much better in Brighton’s set-up.

In short, no panic - life continues. Tony’s going nowhere.
 
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trueblue said:
We’ll have a plan. I find all of this hype about individuals in the backroom teams of clubs quite puzzling. It’s about the blend of talent surely and how it all works together. Co-ordinating that seems to be Ashworth’s strength - and his track record suggest he is very good at it - but he’s now being credited in the supposedly cerebral newspapers with singlehandedly signing Mac & Caicedo for peanuts and making Albion a massive profit. And so the legend grows. Even if that was true (unlikely) Ashworth didn’t personally transform them into great talents or absolutely spank Chelsea for a gigantic fee.

Sam Jewell sounds like an excellent operator and I hope he sticks around. Over the years though there’ve been loads of these type of moves & how often does the individual reproduce the same ‘magic’ at another club. Working from my sketchy memory, wasn’t it Everton that took Leicester’s top guy (Steve Walsh?) That went well. Once upon a time Graham Carr was the star maker at Newcastle - then barely talked about again, other than being Alan’s dad. And we seemingly thought David Burke was the key to Southampton’s success, before ending up with Chris O’Grady as our big scoring hope. I think it’s the nature of the business, a bit like playing the stock market, that there are hits and misses. A few high profile hits and you’re considered a genius but nobody’s immune from a downturn.

Even with someone apparently as well-connected as Jewell, you still need to provide the right environment for the player, the right coaching to improve them, the right team ethic and players around them plus the right negotiator to rinse the next buyer, who then spends 2 years wondering why the lad looked so much better in Brighton’s set-up.

In short, no panic - life continues. Tony’s going nowhere.
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Great post
 


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trueblue said:
We’ll have a plan. I find all of this hype about individuals in the backroom teams of clubs quite puzzling. It’s about the blend of talent surely and how it all works together. Co-ordinating that seems to be Ashworth’s strength - and his track record suggest he is very good at it - but he’s now being credited in the supposedly cerebral newspapers with singlehandedly signing Mac & Caicedo for peanuts and making Albion a massive profit. And so the legend grows. Even if that was true (unlikely) Ashworth didn’t personally transform them into great talents or absolutely spank Chelsea for a gigantic fee.

Sam Jewell sounds like an excellent operator and I hope he sticks around. Over the years though there’ve been loads of these type of moves & how often does the individual reproduce the same ‘magic’ at another club. Working from my sketchy memory, wasn’t it Everton that took Leicester’s top guy (Steve Walsh?) That went well. Once upon a time Graham Carr was the star maker at Newcastle - then barely talked about again, other than being Alan’s dad. And we seemingly thought David Burke was the key to Southampton’s success, before ending up with Chris O’Grady as our big scoring hope. I think it’s the nature of the business, a bit like playing the stock market, that there are hits and misses. A few high profile hits and you’re considered a genius but nobody’s immune from a downturn.

Even with someone apparently as well-connected as Jewell, you still need to provide the right environment for the player, the right coaching to improve them, the right team ethic and players around them plus the right negotiator to rinse the next buyer, who then spends 2 years wondering why the lad looked so much better in Brighton’s set-up.

In short, no panic - life continues. Tony’s going nowhere.
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Yep. They're all just replaceable cogs in Tony's machine, following a strategy and approach that can't be bought, just (badly so far) plagiarised
 


ewe2

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I suspect Tony Bloom ,has release payment clauses on all the main people at the club,if they are on contract……..Quite a revenue stream at the moment….!
 


Not Andy Naylor

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Justice said:
Idiots? I’m not so sure when they check their bank balance at the end of each month.
To a degree on a much smaller scale aren’t we all the same, If I’m about to start a job for two grand and a job for ten grand pops up I’m doing the ten grand job.
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Not all. I took quite a large pay cut to move somewhere I was much happier and higher up the hierarchy. But I admit that's more the exception than the rule.
 




Silverhatch

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Not Andy Naylor said:
Not all. I took quite a large pay cut to move somewhere I was much happier and higher up the hierarchy. But I admit that's more the exception than the rule.
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Throughout my career I met many people who moved for money and were sinfully unhappy. I also know plenty of people who were loyal to companies and got shafted. In football, especially at the exec level, the remuneration is not going to be at player levels and it’ll be MUCH easier to match a Chelsea or United offer. United - because of their legacy and brand - would be harder to turn down than the clown show on the Kings Road.
 


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I seem to recall that when Winstanley left for Chelsea, and Ashworth for Newcastle there were lots of doom mongers. There were a few however,who said that the effect on Brighton would be minimal , as these positions were long term stategists rather than concerned with immediate transfer signings, and that we had replacements either ready to go or at the very least identified. This has proved to be the case

The flip side to that ifor the new clubs is that those same people in their new positions (slightly different) were also going to have no immediate effect on the field. It takes time. Ashworth and Winstanley have barely had time to make the substantial systemic changes to either Newcastle or Chelsea required to start to change the ethos at both clubs

Whilst San is closer to day to day transfers he certainly isnt the only one, and I believe he was a replacement for the position caused by other movements triggered in part by the loss of Winstanley and Ashworth

Barber has said on many occasions that the club succesion plan includes all key off and on field personel, including him

IF, and it is an IF Sam leaves, I really cant see that we would be badly compromised, unless all the previously demonstrated succesion planning has been thrown out and forgotten about
 


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