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Can you hear us, ClemFandango?
Baldseagull
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These guys could be in trouble next time then.
Actually not an awful policy given what we've seen on the streets in past few years in protests.
I quite like the police to identify trouble makers after the event if needed.
No need to wear a mask on a March or protest if you’re not planning on doing anything illegal.
Baldseagull
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A month in prison for wearing a face covering?
In 2020 they were nicking you for not wearing one.
I'm pretty sure no one will end up in jail for a month unless they are repeat offenders.
As clamp said, there really is no need to be covering a face during a peaceful legal protest.
As with all laws, it’s in the application of the law that makes the difference.
Trust me, police don’t want to give someone a criminal record for wearing a mask.
They will likely apply the law alongside existing laws.
I imagine if they ask someone to remove a face covering and they refuse, officers will likely issue a section 35 and order the person to leave the area for 24 hrs. Which is what they do already, as the law already states you can’t wear a covering to threaten or intimidate law abiding protesters.
Any law around the right to protest should always be examined and monitored but what this law is designed for is to allow others to go about the lawful act of peaceful protest without being dragged into civil unrest by masked goons. And I can pretty much guarantee that’s what will happen in practise.
Trust me, police don’t want to give someone a criminal record for wearing a mask.
They will likely apply the law alongside existing laws.
I imagine if they ask someone to remove a face covering and they refuse, officers will likely issue a section 35 and order the person to leave the area for 24 hrs. Which is what they do already, as the law already states you can’t wear a covering to threaten or intimidate law abiding protesters.
Any law around the right to protest should always be examined and monitored but what this law is designed for is to allow others to go about the lawful act of peaceful protest without being dragged into civil unrest by masked goons. And I can pretty much guarantee that’s what will happen in practise.
Baldseagull
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I dunno, might be why Police in riot gear often cover their faces and lapel numbers at protests, don't want to get filmed twatting people, but being on an anti capitalism march or anything a bit left wing might well get you an MI5 file. Trade Unionists and animal rights protestors have been persecuted by the state in this country, Stephen Lawrence family and supporters, and other groups seen as embarrassing or subversive by the state or Police have been snooped on and smeared. I would think Foreign states like Israel and China probably have a good look at who is attending pro Palestine demos, and pro democracy in China demos in London too.
Baldseagull
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I wish I had your faith in the Police.
clapham_gull
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Not sure who the Starmer fans boys are. The majority of people in this country want the Tories put in the freezer for ten years whilst they sort themselves out.
Somebody said to me the other day when I was criticising the Government "but want about the alternative ?"
Well the clear alternative is the Tories out which is the alternative most people want.
Personally I'd be quite happy for a Government to tread water for a decade rather than one trashing the economy, wasting billions of pounds of money and picking fights with the vulnerable.
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I don’t have unwavering faith in the Met. I have a lot of faith in Sussex police. I work front line with them and I know how reluctant they are to pursue things to the point where an otherwise law abiding person ends up with a criminal record for doing something a bit daft.
But I do happen to think any law like this introduced by a Tory government needs careful monitoring.
Best case scenario;
Only those in masks who are causing genuine issues will be asked to remove them.
Worst case scenario;
A diminishing of our human rights.
Again, it’s all in the application of the laws by the police.
I hope they apply them with a fair and steady hand.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
Depends on the protest, and who might be upset by it.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
Given that most major demonstrations are held in London, it is the Met you most need to worry about.
That and whatever further laws Tories put in place, and given that they are already trying to give themselves the power to say unsafe is safe, despite what a court rules, and depart from the ECHR, without hinting at what Human rights legislation to replace it might look like. We know it will be designed to remove the rights of asylum seekers, rather than protect the rights of everyone.
Restricting and diminishing the rights of protest has been a theme of the last couple of years, it makes me consider why.
What is a Labour fan boy? Do tell.......
A large number of protests over the past few years would have upset someone and 99percent of people mange to go without a mask.
The met have shown they are happy to let racism/damage happen on the day and sweep it up after, anything to help with this is a good thing.
I agree with you.
nicko31
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Need a poll to guess who ClemFandango really is?
Do you reckon that (in true Boris style) he had two posts ready to go: the one about Labour holding back on its commitment and the other about how Labour was going to pay for its commitment?Great 'Whatabouttery' for your, er, 42nd post on NSC