[Albion] Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall

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Nobby Cybergoat

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The big winner out of this window is Baleba right?

The club have basically said, we paid good money, we believe in him, now RDZ do your job and bring this young player through and we'll all feel the benefit in the medium term.

The club have got it right thus far. But if Gross and or Gilmour get injured, suspended or don't keep up their usually very good form we're looking very very threadbare indeed
 




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He's not even that good, it's just a little disappointing we haven't added anyone else. Wonder how De Zerbi's feeling about our level of investment this window, think he may well show us in the summer.
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RDZ was given Dahoud, Igor, Pedro, Milner, Adingra, Baleba, Ansu Fati and Verbruggen in the summer. That's a lot of wages and fees..

So the idea that he's not been "backed" is really pushing it . Also anyone questioning Albion's "level of investment" including RDZ himself (he surely knew what club he was joining, the project, the academy, the pathway, the young players and the way the club operates in the transfer market before he stepped through the door - he knows his football) when the club is being underwritten by nearly a half a billion of Bloom's fortune is fine but thats just how it is.

Also club pushed , like others , for some deais this winter but they just didn't come off. -Dewsbury Hall we know about, i guess there were others too. - but Who else has done some big deals ? Its hard in January. Does that indicate the club not "backing him" or just having a slightly longer term view than beating Palace on Saturday - as much as that matters of course.

PS: Barco out of the 6 teenagers we've picked up this window will no doubt go straight into the first team squad (and play at some point) and is experienced for his age. He didn't come for free either.
 


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we have hinch to play in midfield when lampty and veltman are fit we have a good couple of youngsters that they might think that will make the step up in u23s like hinch
 




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No one’s asking TB to pump in further cash this window. Instead, by loans or transfers, to use part of the summer 2023 war-chest to bring in a quality player or two to boost midfield.
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Well that does require more ££ to be put in. Anyway Bloom was prepared to spend £30m on Dewsbury Hall , it appears (and similar or more) on Kudus last summer. But the deals didn't come off - because the club isn't prepared to overspend or buy the wrong players. Or are you suggesting they should just sign anyone ?
 
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chaileyjem said:
RDZ was given Dahoud, Igor, Pedro, Milner, Adingra, Baleba, Ansu Fati and Verbruggen in the summer. That's a lot of wages and fees..

So the idea that he's not been "backed" is really pushing it . Also anyone questioning Albion's "level of investment" including RDZ himself (he surely knew what club he was joining, the project, the academy, the pathway, the young players and the way the club operates in the transfer market before he stepped through the door - he knows his football) when the club is being underwritten by nearly a half a billion of Bloom's fortune is fine but thats just how it is.

Also club pushed , like others , for some deais this winter but they just didn't come off. -Dewsbury Hall we know about, i guess there were others too. - but Who else has done some big deals ? Its hard in January. Does that indicate the club not "backing him" or just having a slightly longer term view than beating Palace on Saturday - as much as that matters of course.

PS: Barco out of the 6 teenagers we've picked up this window will no doubt go straight into the first team squad (and play at some point) and is experienced for his age. He didn't come for free either.
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I wasn't trying to appear unhappy, every season we stay up is a massive achievement in my eyes.

I'm just trying to see it from both sides. I was under the impression De Zerbi was expecting a couple of somewhat more ready to go signings this window. Whether we like it or not he has ambition --hot blood and big balls-- and if he isn't happy he doesn't owe us anything, he want's to win things and he should, whether that's with us, I can hope but can't help doubt a little.

From my point of view we still have a Caicedo/MacAllister sized hole in the squad and that's the difference between pushing for Europe and a mid-table finish; this season we just aren't quite as solid as last. With Dahoud leaving now, does that leave Baleba and Milner as their replacements?
I'm not saying he's not been supported, but I'm not sure he'll view it through my rose-tinted Albion glasses.

I like the way we're doing it and I have high hopes for a great number of our youngsters. Hope Barco hits the ground running.
 


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chaileyjem said:
He was prepared to spend £30m on Dewsbury Hall , it appears (and similar or more) on Kudus last summer. But the deals didn't come off - because the club isn't prepared to overspend.. Or are you suggesting they should just sign anyone ?
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There was no need here to reference whinging from RDZ et al and TB’s investment. Money for Gil, Wharton or Dewsbury-Hall would’ve come from the vast club’s transfer cash flows. Mentioning Bloom at this moment in this thread gives the false impression that complainants want him to dip into his pocket again.
 
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I have a nagging feeling in my gut that we'll get this one over the line.

Disclaimer: I'm REALLY gassy today, so it might just be that. I certainly have no inside info.

But all of this makes me think it's (probably) going to happen:
  • The Maresca - RdZ bromance
  • Leicester have (apparently) signed Sensi from Inter.
  • We are (apparently) open to Moder leaving on loan
  • Dahoud has gone (freeing up wages)
  • We need someone ready to go
  • He's still quite young, so has a way to go until his prime/price ceiling
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Love the optimism
 




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chaileyjem said:
Well that does require more ££ to be put in. Anyway Bloom was prepared to spend £30m on Dewsbury Hall , it appears (and similar or more) on Kudus last summer. But the deals didn't come off - because the club isn't prepared to overspend or buy the wrong players. Or are you suggesting they should just sign anyone ?
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Kudus was available for a fee the club were happy with, so signing him would have resulted in neither overspending or, judging by his scintillating form at West Ham, signing the wrong player. Massive bollock drop right there.
 


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chaileyjem said:
RDZ was given Dahoud, Igor, Pedro, Milner, Adingra, Baleba, Ansu Fati and Verbruggen in the summer. That's a lot of wages and fees..

So the idea that he's not been "backed" is really pushing it . Also anyone questioning Albion's "level of investment" including RDZ himself (he surely knew what club he was joining, the project, the academy, the pathway, the young players and the way the club operates in the transfer market before he stepped through the door - he knows his football) when the club is being underwritten by nearly a half a billion of Bloom's fortune is fine but thats just how it is.

Also club pushed , like others , for some deais this winter but they just didn't come off. -Dewsbury Hall we know about, i guess there were others too. - but Who else has done some big deals ? Its hard in January. Does that indicate the club not "backing him" or just having a slightly longer term view than beating Palace on Saturday - as much as that matters of course.

PS: Barco out of the 6 teenagers we've picked up this window will no doubt go straight into the first team squad (and play at some point) and is experienced for his age. He didn't come for free either.
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A bit of rough maths, but don’t the transfer fees of those players equal about half of what Caicedo and Mac Allister were sold for?
 










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chaileyjem said:
RDZ was given Dahoud, Igor, Pedro, Milner, Adingra, Baleba, Ansu Fati and Verbruggen in the summer. That's a lot of wages and fees..

So the idea that he's not been "backed" is really pushing it . Also anyone questioning Albion's "level of investment" including RDZ himself (he surely knew what club he was joining, the project, the academy, the pathway, the young players and the way the club operates in the transfer market before he stepped through the door - he knows his football) when the club is being underwritten by nearly a half a billion of Bloom's fortune is fine but thats just how it is.

Also club pushed , like others , for some deais this winter but they just didn't come off. -Dewsbury Hall we know about, i guess there were others too. - but Who else has done some big deals ? Its hard in January. Does that indicate the club not "backing him" or just having a slightly longer term view than beating Palace on Saturday - as much as that matters of course.

PS: Barco out of the 6 teenagers we've picked up this window will no doubt go straight into the first team squad (and play at some point) and is experienced for his age. He didn't come for free either.
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That's all fine but it doesn't add up to qualifying again for Europe. If our natural place in the table is 10-12th, those are the signings you've listed there that will deliver it. Dahoud has failed, Baleba has failed temporarily, Fati has been OK but not really lived up to "best player" hype and Adingra was on the books already. The rest save Pedro are in the solid journeyman category
 




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Kudus was available for a fee the club were happy with, so signing him would have resulted in neither overspending or, judging by his scintillating form at West Ham, signing the wrong player. Massive bollock drop right there.
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Why a massive bollock dropped? The club would have reasons to sign/not sign certain players which we are not privy to. The scintillating form at one club does not necessarily transfer to another - think Caicedo on that one.
 


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Same as EVERY transfer f***ing window. Sure the club has been trying to get established senior pros through the door, but, as we all know, the club has their valuation and will walk away if a deal cannot be done. That’s how we operate.
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and sometimes those deals come off (See Igor, Pedro, Estupinan) , let alone the other deals for youngsters/veterans/loans.
 








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el punal said:
Why a massive bollock dropped? The club would have reasons to sign/not sign certain players which we are not privy to. The scintillating form at one club does not necessarily transfer to another - think Caicedo on that one.
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Because he’s been absolutely brilliant for a fairly defensive team who are a direct rival to us.
It was fairly common knowledge at the time that we didn’t sign Kudus because he wanted a release clause and we wouldn’t oblige.
Also, comparing Kudus signing for us, a very stable and organised outfit, is quite different to being a club record signing for an absolute shambles of a team being horribly mismanaged from top to bottom.
 


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DarrenFreemansPerm said:
Kudus was available for a fee the club were happy with, so signing him would have resulted in neither overspending or, judging by his scintillating form at West Ham, signing the wrong player. Massive bollock drop right there.
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Maybe the wage he was after would have been the overspend?
 


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