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[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...
- Thread starter TomandJerry
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chickens
Intending to survive this time of asset strippers
- Oct 12, 2022
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There’s not a single person here (unless there’s a human trafficking Brighton fan lurking about, in which case f*** off) who wants these small boat crossings to continue.
However, a solution requires adult politics, international agreement, and a mixture of legal locations from which asylum seekers can claim asylum, plus a robust border control service, and effective enforcement, all of which would require massive investment in the Civil Service and tax increases to pay for them.
Similarly, unless we’re willing to start armed conflicts and enact regime change in countries that persecute sub-sections of their populace, the only way of reducing the number of genuine refugees and asylum seekers is via international aid. The same international aid that the Conservative Party cut around the time that the boat crossings started, and was hugely cheered by the right at the time.
Those are our options, international aid (carrot) or threats, sanctions and even armed conflict (stick).
There will be costs to the taxpayer either way, so I’m sure if I check the Telegraph, the Mail and the Times, they’ll be loudly demanding increased taxes.
I mean, they surely don’t take their readers for mugs, they couldn’t possibly be demanding all this extra staff, effort and diplomacy, and yet simultaneously be calling for tax cuts could they?
However, a solution requires adult politics, international agreement, and a mixture of legal locations from which asylum seekers can claim asylum, plus a robust border control service, and effective enforcement, all of which would require massive investment in the Civil Service and tax increases to pay for them.
Similarly, unless we’re willing to start armed conflicts and enact regime change in countries that persecute sub-sections of their populace, the only way of reducing the number of genuine refugees and asylum seekers is via international aid. The same international aid that the Conservative Party cut around the time that the boat crossings started, and was hugely cheered by the right at the time.
Those are our options, international aid (carrot) or threats, sanctions and even armed conflict (stick).
There will be costs to the taxpayer either way, so I’m sure if I check the Telegraph, the Mail and the Times, they’ll be loudly demanding increased taxes.
I mean, they surely don’t take their readers for mugs, they couldn’t possibly be demanding all this extra staff, effort and diplomacy, and yet simultaneously be calling for tax cuts could they?
It is unbelievable how much time the UK Parliament has devoted to Brexit and related issues (immigration in particular) over the past 8 years. All this time (and money) at the expense of properly governing this country - providing effective healthcare, education, infrastructure, etc etc etc. Sunak was evoking the “will of the people” again this morning - well I can pretty much guarantee that what the people really want is a functioning society where the elderly are looked after, the sick can get treated in a timely fashion, the court system works, houses are built, public transport works (and is affordable), climate change is tackled, and so on.
What did we do to deserve this absolute horror-show of governance over the past decade? Please let it end…
Cordwainer
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- Jul 30, 2023
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Exfeckingactly..imagine if they’d put the same amount of effort, time and resource into actual governance rather than this utter obsession of theirs. #willies of the people.
nicko31
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I just hope the public are finally realising this lot are incapable to tackling the real challenges facing our country.
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lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
The unelected Prime Minister has urged the unelected HOL to speedily pass his unpopular, some say unworkable, Rwanda Bill, as it is “ the will of the people “
The Bill,a cornerstone of Tory policy, is so popular with ‘the people’ that the Tory’s latest poll rating is a humongous 20%.
Are they so thick they believe their crap, or do they believe we’re so thick that we believe their crap?
The Bill,a cornerstone of Tory policy, is so popular with ‘the people’ that the Tory’s latest poll rating is a humongous 20%.
Are they so thick they believe their crap, or do they believe we’re so thick that we believe their crap?
HangletonGull
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- Apr 10, 2023
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It’s not about him being elected or not elected he’s not a president it’s about the manifesto the Tory’s where elected on
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
The Tories’ 2019 manifesto pledged to “continue to grant asylum and support to refugees fleeing persecution, with the ultimate aim of helping them to return home if it is safe to do so” but made no mention of the plans to fly migrants to central Africa.
ROSM
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Its fair to say the Tories were not elected on a mandate to ship people off to Rwanda and to close down safe routes for asylum seekers
HangletonGull
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- Apr 10, 2023
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I’m not dyeing this bit
TomandJerry
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- Oct 1, 2013
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Rishi Sunak’s pledge to begin flying asylum seekers to Rwanda by spring looked more distant than ever after members of the House of Lords approved a timetable that would not see the bill passed before late March.
On Thursday the prime minister urged peers to pass his asylum bill as soon as possible after its approval by the Commons on Wednesday night, telling them that it reflected the “will of the people”.
By Thursday evening, however, his comments appeared to have backfired, with members of the Lords calling them “bizarre”, “vacuous” and “weird” and then approving a two-month timetable to scrutinise the bill.
Angela Smith, Labour’s leader in the Lords, told the Guardian: “Sunak’s press conference was bizarre. I don’t think he has a clue how the Lords works. We will stick to our normal processes for approving this bill.”
On Thursday the prime minister urged peers to pass his asylum bill as soon as possible after its approval by the Commons on Wednesday night, telling them that it reflected the “will of the people”.
By Thursday evening, however, his comments appeared to have backfired, with members of the Lords calling them “bizarre”, “vacuous” and “weird” and then approving a two-month timetable to scrutinise the bill.
Angela Smith, Labour’s leader in the Lords, told the Guardian: “Sunak’s press conference was bizarre. I don’t think he has a clue how the Lords works. We will stick to our normal processes for approving this bill.”
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
chickens
Intending to survive this time of asset strippers
- Oct 12, 2022
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I see the Conservative Party’s efforts to impoverish their lower income citizens to the benefit of the wealthy continues to bear its inevitable fruit.
Retail sales fall at sharpest rate since Covid https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68027820
You can’t starve a country into prosperity, can we just get these idiots out now please?
Retail sales fall at sharpest rate since Covid https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68027820
You can’t starve a country into prosperity, can we just get these idiots out now please?
nicko31
Well-known member
£380m a day, you can trust the Tories with the economy.
Despite they will try one last trick, unaffordable tax cuts before the election. Scorched earth is all they have left
drew
Drew
So which part of the 2019 manifesto are you referring to?
nicko31
Well-known member
10% support in the under 50s. Its the pensioners party, that's about it
www.independent.co.uk
Only 10% of voters under 50 intend to support Conservatives at next election – poll
Support for Rishi Sunak’s party is at its lowest level since Liz Truss’s final days as prime minister
www.independent.co.uk
Tubby Mondays
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Austerity worked then?! All of those ‘difficult decisions’ that had to be taken? It was always a political decision to enable the shrinking of the state and not an economic one.
I hope the people that voted for it are happy as they drive on roads that would shame a third world country on their way to a doctors appointment that doesn’t exist or hospital for a 10 hour long wait in A and E.
The explanation is that Sunak, as Chancellor, borrowed billions during covid for his various schemes (which included paying out billions in fraudulent claims and as a result of rules for claimants that just hadn't been thought through).
Had Sunak any clue, he would have taken the prudent step of "hedging"and insuring against an interest rate rise in the future. He didn't. So when interest rates went up, he had done nothing to mitigate it, and repayments shot up.
We keep being told that the lack of public funds is as a result of debt repayments going through the roof. And whose fault is that?
The FT, Spectator & Guardian have all estimated that Sunak's economic incompetence has cost the country around £11bn
Rishi Sunak ‘wasted £11bn by paying too much interest’ on UK debt
Labour accuses chancellor of wastefulness for failing to insure against interest rate rises
www.theguardian.com
Rishi Sunak blamed for losing £11bn in servicing UK government debt
Treasury failed to take out insurance against rate rises on almost £900bn in QE reserves, say economists
www.ft.com
The fact that a man so ignorant of "the basics" of economic strategy could rise to be Chancellor and PM is bloody scary.