I recently discovered The Fully Charged Show on YouTube. Some of these Chinese EVs they review look really impressive. It also looks Europe is way ahead of North America with the number of different EVs available. All we seem to have here is Teslas and the odd Hyundai or KIA.
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[Misc] Electric Cars
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I recently discovered The Fully Charged Show on YouTube. Some of these Chinese EVs they review look really impressive. It also looks Europe is way ahead of North America with the number of different EVs available. All we seem to have here is Teslas and the odd Hyundai or KIA.
I don't have an EV just an ICE car although have previously owned 2 Toyota Hybrids which would average 67mpg on trips
From what I can gather though 3.5 miles per Kilowatt is a reasonable assumption of the average energy consumption of an EV
Using that figure as a guide and as my most recent petrol purchase was £1.40 per liter or £6.36 per imperial gallon
Then @ 50p per Kilowatt this is approximately equivalent to a petrol vehicle consuming 45 mpg
And @ 78p per Kilowatt this is approximately equivalent to petrol vehicle consuming 28 mpg
Currently then the argument for switching to pure EV is not convincing if one is reliant on using public charging points with the cost of fossil fuels as of this day .
Or have I messed up the maths ?
My Zoe easily manages 4.5 miles per kWh in summer, and I've seen as high as 5.5 when conditions / traffic is perfect. And I know the Zoe isn't the most efficient out there today (although it helps with it being a small car). 3.5 miles per kWh is pretty accurate for winter conditions, though.
Actually, googling suggest you've definitely underestimate EV range. For example, carwow list the top 10 most efficient EVs here and they're all better than 4.35 miles per kWh: https://www.carwow.co.uk/electric-cars/efficient
swindonseagull
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Charge up @ home 7.5 p per KWh .....
The consumption numbers on Car wow are impressive if they are real world results not manufactures figures
If you can get 4.5kWh in your Zoe traveling at motorway speeds that's pretty darn good imo
Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
Exactly - reposting part of my earlier post a couple of pages back
[Misc] - Electric Cars
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Additionally I've used Tesla fast charger 3 times in 6 months, each time it's to add a few miles to ensure we get home with some range to spare, twice on trips to Falmouth and back and once coming home from Northampton on the M1. On each occasion the car had filled up enough before I'd has time to go to the toilet and / or get a cup of coffee.
chickens
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Your maths seems a little pessimistic to me. My Gen1 Nissan Leaf does about 4.5 per kilowatt, the second gen Leaf I’m told does slightly better with 5 miles plus per kilowatt achievable.
This will always be vehicle dependent. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to hear that the bigger heavier vehicles like the iPace have a much lower efficiency, but that’s no different to a V8 Range Rover being way less efficient than a 1.2 Fiesta. Weight, drag, and how the car is configured to both deliver power and regain it through braking also impacts the overall figure.
Not to mention driving style and the road. If all your driving is unobstructed motorway, efficiency will suffer. Any driving that involves a bit of stop and start will get the regenerative braking kicking in and reclaiming energy as the car is slowed down.
Occasional Uckfield to Uxbridge commute. A22, M25, M4, then in to Uxbridge. Was managing 5.4 on the home leg during summer, but rarely remembered to reset before leaving home for the outward trip. Easily over 4.5 though.If you can get 4.5kWh in your Zoe traveling at motorway speeds that's pretty darn good imo
Renault claimed range is pretty accurate for summer. If anything I'd say it's pessimistic.
nicko31
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How do you find the Telsa for effiiciency? I have a VW ID3 and I'd say figs are similar to @Audax Renault Zoe...
With circa 250-300 mile range hardly ever use a public charger, luckily i have a 75kw fast charge over the road from me for emergencies, its 75p/kw (10 times home charge cost)
I paid extra to get the Rapid charge version of the Zoe. Regret that decision a little. I've never used a rapid charger (little over 3 years now). The only times it's ever been plugged into a public charger was back when Tesco carpark chargers were free for the 7.5kWh charging, and I would plug in for a cheeky top up while shopping. I'm fortunate to have solar panels and a smart home charger, as well as access to a free charger at work on the days I go in. Being honest, though, that's only because we've not yet used it for a longer trip. We've got the Prius for those - but it's as much about carrying capacity as it is range.
Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
I haven't delved into the overall data for the Tesla, but the only time I saw a drop off in the excellent range was when we were driving to Bournemouth for a Uni open day and we were running a little late. Driving at 70+ mph for 90 minutes drained the battery pretty fast, but any car will burn through fuel at higher speeds.
I will say that driving a Tesla is both fun, and very relaxing.
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dannyboy
tfso!
is that Kryten from Red Dwarf?
Yes, it is. He's changed the bulb.
OzMike
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You lot keep buying them, brings the price of diesel for my van down, only $1.67 a litre now. 
chickens
Intending to survive this time of asset strippers
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You lot keep buying them, brings the price of diesel for my van down, only $1.67 a litre now.
That’s fine buddy, happy to help. Let’s hope OPEC drop their prices to the point that it’s not such a one-sided argument on running costs.
Greg Bobkin
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I'm not sure that's how it works. Those sky-high fuel prices in 2023 came at a time when EV registrations and sales were flying!You lot keep buying them, brings the price of diesel for my van down, only $1.67 a litre now.
nicko31
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Diesel here £1.50 equates to 19p a mile, elec I'm paying 7.5p/kw for green overnight rate equates to 1.9p a mile.You lot keep buying them, brings the price of diesel for my van down, only $1.67 a litre now.
250-300 mile range, Faster, less polluting, quieter, better handling, no ULEZ. No going back....
nicko31
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Not sure if Porsche's nightmare, interior styling be questionable
The Grockle
Formally Croydon Seagull
First winter of driving electric, I didn't quite realise the impact to range in cold weather. The school run usually uses 2-3% of battery, in minus temp it's around 10%! It's a 14 mile round trip!