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[Politics] Sir Keir Starmer’s route to Number 10



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Brian Fantana

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Oct 8, 2006
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I listened to KS's speech and was hoping for a bit more detail in it (I suppose this will come at a later date). He pretty much just went through the general list of issues that basically any incoming party from opposition would want to deal with.

It all sounded very good, as a lot of his speeches do, but he's still light on the specifics of how and when. Saying for instance 'we'll blast through the planning red tape and get Britain building' is all very well and good, but how? Which current protections for green belt land will go? Which elements of the planning application validation process will be relaxed?
 




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Greg Bobkin

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May 22, 2012
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The speech is devoid* of sound bites so far. Deliberately measured, complex and nuanced.

Dull. No details. Just philosophy.

It won't win over the woman on R5 who opposes Labour's plans for XL Bully dogs. But I'm not sure that I care.

*renewal with labour. That's our future and this year we will be getting it back.

Never once said whatever it was Nicky Campbell has been pedaling on his phone it (can't even remember what he said). Funny old world.
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That the population feels downtrodden, apparently (according to your earlier post).
 


Nobby Cybergoat

Nobby Cybergoat

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Brian Fantana said:
I listened to KS's speech and was hoping for a bit more detail in it (I suppose this will come at a later date). He pretty much just went through the general list of issues that basically any incoming party from opposition would want to deal with.

It all sounded very good, as a lot of his speeches do, but he's still light on the specifics of how and when. Saying for instance 'we'll blast through the planning red tape and get Britain building' is all very well and good, but how? Which current protections for green belt land will go? Which elements of the planning application validation process will be relaxed?
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He's not going to say that because he's not stupid

All those questions in there were posed by, basically enemies. The Sun, Express, Mail. They are looking for any angle to shaft him.

At this stage, he's right to not get bogged down in detail. The people of this country can't handle the truth.
 


nicko31

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Nobby Cybergoat said:
Starmer's speech and Q&A this morning.

He's doing very well.

I think he'll make a fine Prime Minister
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I think he'll be a safe bet.

He needs to restore the public's truth in UK politics and demonstrate those in power are there for the country not themselves and their mates. The Tories are corrupt and their enablers in the press have no interest to holding their feet to the fire
 


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Greg Bobkin

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Brian Fantana said:
I listened to KS's speech and was hoping for a bit more detail in it (I suppose this will come at a later date). He pretty much just went through the general list of issues that basically any incoming party from opposition would want to deal with.

It all sounded very good, as a lot of his speeches do, but he's still light on the specifics of how and when. Saying for instance 'we'll blast through the planning red tape and get Britain building' is all very well and good, but how? Which current protections for green belt land will go? Which elements of the planning application validation process will be relaxed?
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To be fair, if a speech went into *that* level of detail about pretty much any subject, it would be pretty dull and would lose the room in 30 seconds or less. I've sat through enough 'keynote' presentations that effectively turn into sales pitches and they are literally enough to send you to sleep!

Having said all that, I take promises from ANY politician with a pinch of salt. Not just this current lot in charge, but how many times has an administration actually delivered on what it's set out to do? Trump is (obviously, maybe) the same because the wall didn't get built, Hillary didn't get locked up 'Obamacare' didn't get immediately repealed. (I'm only citing Trump because his ramblings are the most memorable – I've no doubt Biden has done the same!)
 




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Brian Fantana

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Greg Bobkin said:
To be fair, if a speech went into *that* level of detail about pretty much any subject, it would be pretty dull and would lose the room in 30 seconds or less. I've sat through enough 'keynote' presentations that effectively turn into sales pitches and they are literally enough to send you to sleep!

Having said all that, I take promises from ANY politician with a pinch of salt. Not just this current lot in charge, but how many times has an administration actually delivered on what it's set out to do? Trump is (obviously, maybe) the same because the wall didn't get built, Hillary didn't get locked up 'Obamacare' didn't get immediately repealed. (I'm only citing Trump because his ramblings are the most memorable – I've no doubt Biden has done the same!)
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I take your point - it's absolutely fair comment.

I think I just found KS's speech to be basically listing out the issues that ANY party aiming to get into government would want to change. There was nothing specific to him or to this Labour Party. Maybe I'm expecting too much at this stage.
 








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Greg Bobkin

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Brian Fantana said:
I take your point - it's absolutely fair comment.

I think I just found KS's speech to be basically listing out the issues that ANY party aiming to get into government would want to change. There was nothing specific to him or to this Labour Party. Maybe I'm expecting too much at this stage.
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I think you probably are, but then you're correct with the rest of it. As I've noted before (and it stands up, given the brief glimpses of Starmer's speech I've seen, not to mention how the other 'side' carry on) the election is going to be played out with far more "The Tories/Labour are shitehouse, vote for us" than "We will make your life better, vote for us". Depressingly.
 








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Greg Bobkin

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Blimey, that is indeed 'edited'. Suits the narrative better though :thumbsup:
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Not really. I'd say exactly the same if it was a Sunak speech. Supporters of one 'side' are NEVER going to have anything positive to say about the other 'side' are they?
 




nicko31

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Interesting the Tory mud that is chucked at Labour about a £28B plan to green up the economy. This is from the party that has averaged £121B per annum to debt pile since they've been in power.

Good job we're all feeling richer on the back of it?
 






Nobby Cybergoat

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Is it PotG? said:
That's one interpretation.

The more cynical might say he has no workable plan.
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I agree. He probably doesn't

What you have to remember is that a sitting government has the resource of an entire civil service to call upon, It has access to all financial data and the resource to analyse it. It has access to all official secrets and commercial contracts in place which will influence the detail of policy.

The leader of an opposition has none of this. Just a few consultants paid for by limited party funding. An opposition will never be in a position to provide a detailed policy breakdown even if it were wise to do so. That doesn't mean we should never change governments.
 


Titanic

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During a visit to Mansfield, the prime minister said: "My working assumption is we'll have a general election in the second half of this year."
 


AK74

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Titanic said:
During a visit to Mansfield, the prime minister said: "My working assumption is we'll have a general election in the second half of this year."
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You believe the words of a politician?

That's brave.
 




WATFORD zero

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Is it PotG? said:
O'Brien has been doing it for years, it seems that it's the only way to get things rolling.
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If he annoys you this much maybe you should stop listening to him :wink:

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Not too many would waste their time with O'Brien tbf.
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Is it PotG? said:
O'Brien :facepalm: :mad:
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Is it PotG? said:
Where WOULD life be without the likes of O'Brien sounding off and putting us all right every day?
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Is it PotG? said:
Got the evidence for this?

Not O'Brien's opinion, solid facts?
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Is it PotG? said:
The country can rest knowing that the absolute plank O'Brien is on the case!
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Is it PotG? said:
O'Brien is the leftie equivalent of Morgan, they simply wheel on fodder for entertainment's sake.
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