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[Albion] Sima



American Seagle

American Seagle

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Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo said:
Because football at the moment is governed by FIFA, they set the rules, federations and clubs have to abide by those rules. Until such times as it’s legally challenged there is nothing that can be done. Which is why governments and the EU are trying to put in more regulatory bodies to stop what is basically a monopoly, but that’s still a long way off and likely to meet a lot of resistance.



Adingra was named in the final Ivory Coast squad. They can call up a replacement up to 24 hours before their first game but the injury would have to be ratified by the CAF medical committee (what that process is I don’t know, does the player need to be present for CAF to assess him?). Under FIFA rules this would still mean Simon has withdrawn from a squad he was named in and could be prevented from playing for us until the end of the tournament if he recovers from his injury.
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So as it stands playing for your country is mandatory!? Even if he player does not want to or it is not in their best physical interest to do so?
Surely that needs changing. Are clubs at least compensated they players wages (plus reasonable loss of income from reduced form etc) for the time they are away by the national teams?
 




Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo

Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo

Waxing chumps like candles since ‘75
Oct 4, 2003
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American Seagle said:
So as it stands playing for your country is mandatory!? Even if he player does not want to or it is not in their best physical interest to do so?
Surely that needs changing. Are clubs at least compensated they players wages (plus reasonable loss of income from reduced form etc) for the time they are away by the national teams?
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Players can be asked to not be selected and obviously federations will try and maintain a good relationship with clubs where possible, but clubs cannot refuse to release a player. As I said before even injured players can be asked to report for international duty for assessment by their national teams medical personnel, obviously it will depend on the nature of the injury etc.

The only way a player can fully avoid international duty is by formally informing their national FA they are retiring from international football.

For the World Cup clubs were paid £8,429 per player for each day that the player took part in the tournament. That money is calculated from the day they are released for international duty until the day they play their last match. Brighton would have been paid about £1.5 million for the World Cup. Obviously other tournaments will have their own payment structures which probably won’t be anywhere near as high as what the World Cup pays.

Clubs can also be compensated if a player is injured on international duty but the injury normally has to keep them out for more than 28 days for it to kick in.
 


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b.w.2.

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So, if Simon and/or Sima fail an Ivory Coast medical test then they can play domestically if they subsequently get fit? Now that seems more reasonable
 
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drew

drew

Drew
Oct 3, 2006
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Burgess Hill
American Seagle said:
Sounds absolutely mad. Surely their employer (their club) should have the final say on if they will allow their employee leave to play for another team.
If you asked for leave from your work to go and work for another company for a month and they refused to let you why on earth would you be banned from working!?
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So you think clubs should have control over international tournaments?
 


drew

drew

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Oct 3, 2006
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Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo said:
Because football at the moment is governed by FIFA, they set the rules, federations and clubs have to abide by those rules. Until such times as it’s legally challenged there is nothing that can be done. Which is why governments and the EU are trying to put in more regulatory bodies to stop what is basically a monopoly, but that’s still a long way off and likely to meet a lot of resistance.



Adingra was named in the final Ivory Coast squad. They can call up a replacement up to 24 hours before their first game but the injury would have to be ratified by the CAF medical committee (what that process is I don’t know, does the player need to be present for CAF to assess him?). Under FIFA rules this would still mean Simon has withdrawn from a squad he was named in and could be prevented from playing for us until the end of the tournament if he recovers from his injury.
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Would you prefer football to have more than one governing body? As corrupt as it is, if you had more than one governing body then you'd have more then one corrupt body. If you have more than one then it would also descend into the madness of Boxing where you can have 5 world champions, which is even madder (and I suspect the organisations in boxing aren't whiter than white!).
 






Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo

Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo

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drew said:
Would you prefer football to have more than one governing body? As corrupt as it is, if you had more than one governing body then you'd have more then one corrupt body. If you have more than one then it would also descend into the madness of Boxing where you can have 5 world champions, which is even madder (and I suspect the organisations in boxing aren't whiter than white!).
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You already have many governing bodies in football. You’ve got FIFA, each continent have there own Federation and then each countries have FAs and the people running the league. In England alone we have the FA, the Premier League and the Football League. Throw in iFab, PGMOL etc and you can see why things are a mess and complicated and there seems to be more as more football being played often at the detriment of player welfare. Look at the amount of injuries this season following the previous season being messed about for a World Cup at the wrong time of the year.

I’m not sure how you’d create a truly independent regulator capable of overseeing all of that, and I certainly don’t want it to lead to break away leagues etc but there has to be a better way of doing things that might put football, the players and the fans as a priority rather than making money.
 


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Mancgull

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If we can get c £15m for Sima it would be great business. Basically making a £7m profit on a player who never even played for us. Just had loans of which the last has inflated his value considerably.
£7m relates to the price we paid for Billy Gilmour.
Credit would have to go to David Weir and Greer for the successful loan to Rangers.
 




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b.w.2.

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Jan 8, 2004
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Mancgull said:
If we can get c £15m for Sima it would be great business. Basically making a £7m profit on a player who never even played for us. Just had loans of which the last has inflated his value considerably.
£7m relates to the price we paid for Billy Gilmour.
Credit would have to go to David Weir and Greer for the successful loan to Rangers.
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Personally i would dee it as a big mistake. A versatile forward is exactly what we need
 


American Seagle

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drew said:
So you think clubs should have control over international tournaments?
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Over the tournaments, no. But the players are their employees, very well paid and important employees. You think it is right for a company to lose it's top employees for months?
 


drew

drew

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Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo said:
You already have many governing bodies in football. You’ve got FIFA, each continent have there own Federation and then each countries have FAs and the people running the league. In England alone we have the FA, the Premier League and the Football League. Throw in iFab, PGMOL etc and you can see why things are a mess and complicated and there seems to be more as more football being played often at the detriment of player welfare. Look at the amount of injuries this season following the previous season being messed about for a World Cup at the wrong time of the year.

I’m not sure how you’d create a truly independent regulator capable of overseeing all of that, and I certainly don’t want it to lead to break away leagues etc but there has to be a better way of doing things that might put football, the players and the fans as a priority rather than making money.
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There's a hierarchy which there isn't in boxing. IFAB is effectively part of Fifa concerned with the laws of the game and any changes. PGMOL don't represent football, they are just the company that provides the officials to the professional game. The FA has overall control of the game in this country as I believe they have a golden share in the EPL. An independent regulator is not going to have involvement in the laws of the game or the organising of tournaments, it will be concerned with financial governance.
 




drew

drew

Drew
Oct 3, 2006
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American Seagle said:
Over the tournaments, no. But the players are their employees, very well paid and important employees. You think it is right for a company to lose it's top employees for months?
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It's a sport and representative football is part of that which clubs know about when they sign players. It's not like these competitions have arisen out the blue.

And yes, I do think it is right that clubs lose players for tournaments.

Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo said:
Players can be asked to not be selected and obviously federations will try and maintain a good relationship with clubs where possible, but clubs cannot refuse to release a player. As I said before even injured players can be asked to report for international duty for assessment by their national teams medical personnel, obviously it will depend on the nature of the injury etc.

The only way a player can fully avoid international duty is by formally informing their national FA they are retiring from international football.

For the World Cup clubs were paid £8,429 per player for each day that the player took part in the tournament. That money is calculated from the day they are released for international duty until the day they play their last match. Brighton would have been paid about £1.5 million for the World Cup. Obviously other tournaments will have their own payment structures which probably won’t be anywhere near as high as what the World Cup pays.

Clubs can also be compensated if a player is injured on international duty but the injury normally has to keep them out for more than 28 days for it to kick in.
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I'm pretty certain that players cannot officially retire from international duty. However, the reality is that it would serve no purpose to select players that have no interest in playing at international level.
 


Hugo Rune

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b.w.2. said:
Personally i would dee it as a big mistake. A versatile forward is exactly what we need
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If you look at what Rangers fans are saying, this guy makes a big difference but is not a technical player.

RDZ does not contemplate non-technical players so it’s best we lose Sima for as much as we can.

I suspect we’ll do a deal heavily weighted with add-ons and sell-ons as Rangers can’t get near the price up front but the move seems good for all parties.

Perhaps £7.5m + £7.5m in add-ons.
 












GT49er

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Feb 1, 2009
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portslade seagull said:
He was a bystander against Celtic. Needs to get involved more in the all round game
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T.G said:
Shocking header for Celtic’s first goal! Looks like he has talent but his all round game needs to improve.
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We all know that! Rangers fans have been telling us all season. A bit Undav-like - doesn't play football very well but just scores lots of goals.
 
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