[Politics] Brexit

[Randy McNob]

Good to see a pro-Brexit voice other than from the usual suspects.

1. Strategic protectionism sounds intriguing. The devil would be in the detail, of course.

2. Agriculture is an interesting one. I thought one of the very few advantages attributed to Brexit was that it opened up the possibility of cheap food imports from outside the EU?

3. Ground breaking deal. Hmm. Not too many so far. Plus we have deals with these third party nations through the EU. Is there really a great opportunity? I recall one study that looked at the impact of a free trade deal with New Zealand would have a negligible impact on our GDP.

4. Yes that awful EU will continue to pester us by selling us stuff and buying our stuff. They'll just be less of it. And economic growth,

With respect, your posting does read rather like someone trying to make the best of a bad job.

So we are assuming or we know that we cannot grow our key industries while part of the EU? hmm, really?

Not a fan of importing food - better off in the EU then. If the argument is we could produce more home grown, what stops us doing that anyway?

I accept that we may have opportunity to do deals in smaller emerging countries, but who says we will and why is at assumed we wouldn't as part of the EU? Is there an example of a ready made like for like product we could import elsewhere at lower cost? Most things you import are niche to that country, German cars, French wine, Dutch Cheese. Thats why we import them. There is rarely an example of a like for like product that can be sourced elsewhere and products imported outside the EU would have a trade deal that replaces one we already have

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

I think it is now clear and obvious why some posters cba to post answers to questions, explanations nor justification.

However passionately eloquent or reasoned the wording is, it will be analysed then criticised by opponents.

That's just the way it is, and always will be, hence the more straightforward Leave Means Leave.

I think this process is known in some circles as debate or reasoned argument. It's quite a good thing in a mature democracy, especially if the alternative is chanting slogans as per a Donald Trump rally.

 

[A1X]

Hi

Been about a year since you left the EU now. I heard a lot of people saying that you were going to turn into some third world country when it happened. Much like other non-EU states like Norway, Switzerland and Liechtenstein, where I guess they all must be starving and living in caves as they didnt even join the EU to begin with. Are you suffering as badly?

No because the EU and the UK agreed a transition period where EU rules continue to be in place, these expire at midnight on 1st January 2021. At that point the UK drops out of the Customs Union and Single Market. The nations you've cited all exist within a body called the European Free Trade Association (EFTA) which essentially plugs into the Single Market without the Customs Union (allowing them to strike independent trade deals) and with it's own separate arbitration infrastructure. The UK will not be part of this organisation under UK Government plans so will trade with the EU on the same terms as nations like Australia, Russia and Afghanistan do (assuming no trade deal is reached between now and then).

 

[daveinplzen]

It's been interesting watching Brexiteers, here and elsewhere, changing their reasons for leaving the EU, over the last 4 years, apart from a few, as reason after reason falls apart, leaving them the risk of ridicule.

 

[Simster]

Question for pro Brexit people only

My twitter feed is full of remain people wondering if any Brexit people have regrets. I am genuinely interested to see if they're right. I really don't want this descending into a binfest because even I've had enough of discussing the rights and wrongs of it so here is the general Brexit discussion:
https://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?343854-The-Brexit-Thread

In the meantime, I'm genuinely interested to know what Brexiteers feel about Brexit now that we are a few years down the line, with no deal looming (not what was promised) - without the sort of bitching and sniping characterised by the main thread

 

[zefarelly]

I'd also like to hear about the benefits. My friends been asking for 5 years.

 

[Simster]

I'd also like to hear about the benefits. My friends been asking for 5 years.

Honestly, I don't want this descending into a binfest. That's what the main thread is for.

I just want to know what the Brexit half of the population feel about where we are.

 

[zefarelly]

Honestly, I don't want this descending into a binfest. That's what the main thread is for.

I just want to know what the Brexit half of the population feel about where we are.

It's unlikely my question will get any answers, and I'd also like to know what the brexit third of the population thinks now.

without binfest.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Very happy with it, thanks for asking.
My only discontent is with the MPs who tried to derail the process before the last election.
I would imagine the poll will be distorted by non Brexit voters at some point soon but that’s modern politics (see behavior of Trump and his supporters as another example of the inability to accept democratic votes).

 

[Westdene Seagull]

The options don't really cover me - I accept, and always have, that we'll be financially poorer BUT I think what we lose financially we gain from our independence from a political organisation.

 

[A1X]

Did he not watch QT last evening, was all answered by the Mattmeister himself?

Planes, Trains and Automobiles,,,plans are in place.

#projectworryguts

Well if Matt Hancock says it's all going to work then that sounds fantastic. Built as it is on the back of his demonstrable successes in rolling out the Test & Trace app and the stability of PPE supply line.

 

[Chicken Run]

My twitter feed is full of remain people wondering if any Brexit people have regrets. I am genuinely interested to see if they're right. I really don't want this descending into a binfest because even I've had enough of discussing the rights and wrongs of it so here is the general Brexit discussion:
https://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?343854-The-Brexit-Thread

In the meantime, I'm genuinely interested to know what Brexiteers feel about Brexit now that we are a few years down the line, with no deal looming (not what was promised) - without the sort of bitching and sniping characterised by the main thread

I genuinely have no regrets[emoji106]

 

[rippleman]

I voted for Brexit and don't regret my vote.

What I hadn't anticipated was that our PM would be Boris who would go on to make such a complete **** up of the negotiations during the transition period. For that reason i would support a 12 month extension of the transition period in the hope that Boris gets turfed out (or drinks himself to oblivion) so that we can sit down with the EU and negotiate a deal that suits all parties.

 

[Chicken Run]

I voted for Brexit and don't regret my vote.

What I hadn't anticipated was that our PM would be Boris who would go on to make such a complete **** up of the negotiations during the transition period. For that reason i would support a 12 month extension of the transition period in the hope that Boris gets turfed out (or drinks himself to oblivion) so that we can sit down with the EU and negotiate a deal that suits all parties.

Good point about Boris!

 

[Eeyore]

I think I can comment. I was against BREXIT but accept that it is happening and there is no going back.

I would be concerned about the trade deal. Given the perilous climate we are in there is no reason not to extend the transistion period to make sure the country gets the right deal.

It won't happen because political careers and egos get in the way. That will be a shame for a lot of people.

 

[Biscuit Barrel]

I voted for Brexit and don't regret my vote.

What I hadn't anticipated was that our PM would be Boris who would go on to make such a complete **** up of the negotiations during the transition period. For that reason i would support a 12 month extension of the transition period in the hope that Boris gets turfed out (or drinks himself to oblivion) so that we can sit down with the EU and negotiate a deal that suits all parties.

I think we are pretty close to a deal that suits all parties (all negotiators). Any extension would be simply delaying the outcome IMHO. If a deal can't be reached in 12 months then there is little chance of it getting agreed in another 12 months.

 

[Gwylan]

I voted for Brexit but I was wrong. It's not that I'm against Brexit in principle - I wouldn't have voted for it if I was - but the people negotiating it have made a complete and utter horlicks of the whole thing. It's already cost the country a fortune and will hit us even harder in the coming years.

The whole thing has been an object lesson in how not to negotiate, future historians will look on this episode and shake their heads in despair, wondering how it came to pass

 

[Simster]

Interesting that not one single Brexiteer on here has expressed any form of doubt, never mind regret. *until [MENTION=25]Gwylan[/MENTION] popped up.

It surprises me simply because the form of Brexit we are likely to see (one which is expensive, makes us less competitive economically and less important on the world stage) is not what we were promised when the referendum was held.

 

[daveinplzen]

They know that if they say its OK their fans will support it, despite their words being proved as bullshit, over and over again.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Apart from the US election is not a non-binding advisory poll. Apart from that MASSIVE difference you mean

That old chestnut. The 1975 referendum was held on the same terms. By your logic it should have been ignored and the Labour Government should have simply reversed Ted Heath’s un-democratic joining of the Common Market.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum

You are either a democrat or you aren’t.
Returning to the thread question, it is actually the anti democratic instincts of the Remain side ever since 2016 that have helped re-enforce my view that much like Trump America it would be a massive mistake to have them back in Downing Street. It explains why a moderate leftie (and formerly not so moderate) such as myself now votes Conservative. I have no reservations about leaving the EU as all apparent hurdles have been part of the campaign to reverse the will expressed in 2016 with the EU itself happy to exploit all such division.