[Football] Glenn on Sky Sports this morning

[n1 gull]

I wish our club would just shut up for a while and just see how this plays out. I have no idea how this benefits the club. I'm sure the bosses at Sky will look favourably on Glenn in his future media career but to be honest it feels like we are becoming a laughing stock. Anecdotally I'm now sent stuff from mates that support other clubs taking the piss out of whinging Brighton and tbh I don't blame them, I would be doing the same. Just see what happens and be up for the fight if and.when it happens instead of sounding like a bunch of entitled snowflakes

 

[Super Steve Earle]

Sorry, but I have little time for Glenn’s position. The risk to fit persons between the ages of 18 and 38 is almost zero. The amount of protection being offered for them is clearly OTT. They will be constantly tested and will have to shield vulnerable members if their family/entourage just like the rest of us. Most of us have lost salary for not being able to work with many furloughed. Many if us are forced to work in riskier positions right now. Doctors, emergency services, airports etc. Football is a job for players. Their choice should be do your job with all the protections being offered, which are not offered to the rest of us, or risk moving to the govt furlough programme. Which do you think they will choose?

But as Glenn also pointed out, they are elite athletes who are accustomed to full preparation before a match and ice baths, massages and treatment post march. They are being asked to turn up 15 minutes before kick-off with just enough time to have a wee and put their boots on, then play 90 minutes of football and drive home within 15 minutes of the final whistle without so much as a warm shower.

Then repeat eight more times in a short space of time. Meanwhile, not unreasonably in my view, he doesn't accept that if the Prem plays out the season and relegates three clubs, the EPL should be able to select three clubs to replace them from the top of the Championship without them fighting for the rest of the season to earn the right.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

I wish our club would just shut up for a while and just see how this plays out. I have no idea how this benefits the club. I'm sure the bosses at Sky will look favourably on Glenn in his future media career but to be honest it feels like we are becoming a laughing stock. Anecdotally I'm now sent stuff from mates that support other clubs taking the piss out of whinging Brighton and tbh I don't blame them, I would be doing the same. Just see what happens and be up for the fight if and.when it happens instead of sounding like a bunch of entitled snowflakes

The benefit is to set out our position openly and in advance for any potential legal case.

We've now neutralised the "Why didn't you speak out at the time ?" question.


It is, however, very uncomfortable hearing our words repeatedly twisted.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Sorry, but I have little time for Glenn’s position. The risk to fit persons between the ages of 18 and 38 is almost zero. The amount of protection being offered for them is clearly OTT. They will be constantly tested and will have to shield vulnerable members if their family/entourage just like the rest of us. Most of us have lost salary for not being able to work with many furloughed. Many if us are forced to work in riskier positions right now. Doctors, emergency services, airports etc. Football is a job for players. Their choice should be do your job with all the protections being offered, which are not offered to the rest of us, or risk moving to the govt furlough programme. Which do you think they will choose?

A cursory look at the internet will show you that this is not true and based on received wisdoms repeated unthinkingly from the early days of the pandemic when data was in short supply

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....id-19-younger-adults-are-at-risk-too?amp=true

There is also an increasing amount off work being done on long term lung conditions caused by the virus.

 

[Wilko]

I wish our club would just shut up for a while and just see how this plays out. I have no idea how this benefits the club. I'm sure the bosses at Sky will look favourably on Glenn in his future media career but to be honest it feels like we are becoming a laughing stock. Anecdotally I'm now sent stuff from mates that support other clubs taking the piss out of whinging Brighton and tbh I don't blame them, I would be doing the same. Just see what happens and be up for the fight if and.when it happens instead of sounding like a bunch of entitled snowflakes

I would say the opposite. Why are other clubs NOT speaking up at this time? If players are worried they need to say so, if clubs think rules like 'turn your head when tackling' are ridiculous then they need to say so. Any concerns or worries need to come out NOW and not once they have cobbled together some half-arsed plan.

 

[nicko31]

Glenn Murray on Sky puts Football into perspective bringing back “unnecessary sport when people are dying all around us ... I just can’t understand why after just sort of loosening the lockdown why we are in such a rush to get it back. Why can’t we just wait a month?”

Thought Glenn sounded sensible and articulate. A credit to the club .

Well said, still averaging 500 deaths a day. How can we carry on as normal?

 

[n1 gull]

I would say the opposite. Why are other clubs NOT speaking up at this time? If players are worried they need to say so, if clubs think rules like 'turn your head when tackling' are ridiculous then they need to say so. Any concerns or worries need to come out NOW and not once they have cobbled together some half-arsed plan.

OK lets say I agree with all the sentiment but all this will be discussed between players groups, unions etc..Why are we the ones giving Talkshite and Sky Sports interviews? It makes us out to be the ones moaning and with the have most to lose as we have a points advantage.
If you take off your blue and white striped glasses it would drive you up the wall if it was another club acting this way. I'm not saying don't lobby behind the scenes or whatever but just stop sending out rubbish soundbites that can easily be used against us

 

[Miami Seagull]

A cursory look at the internet will show you that this is not true and based on received wisdoms repeated unthinkingly from the early days of the pandemic when data was in short supply

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....id-19-younger-adults-are-at-risk-too?amp=true

There is also an increasing amount off work being done on long term lung conditions caused by the virus.

Of course there are risks. But the risks are miniscule and similar in size to the many risks we all take with our lives every day. If other workers are pressing ahead then so should footballers. Why should they be different?

 

[clapham_gull]

Of course there are risks. But the risks are miniscule and similar in size to the many risks we all take with our lives every day. If other workers are pressing ahead then so should footballers. Why should they be different?

Can you give us an example where other workers "pressing head" are in so close proximity to each other and can do nothing to avoid such prolonged physical contact ?

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Sorry, but I have little time for Glenn’s position. The risk to fit persons between the ages of 18 and 38 is almost zero. The amount of protection being offered for them is clearly OTT. They will be constantly tested and will have to shield vulnerable members if their family/entourage just like the rest of us. Most of us have lost salary for not being able to work with many furloughed. Many if us are forced to work in riskier positions right now. Doctors, emergency services, airports etc. Football is a job for players. Their choice should be do your job with all the protections being offered, which are not offered to the rest of us, or risk moving to the govt furlough programme. Which do you think they will choose?

Sorry, but I have little time for your position. If it's not needed, why take the risk.
From what I've read about what he said, it was the concerns of players who might be going home to households with vulnerable people in them that motivated him to say what he did.

 

[n1 gull]

Well said, still averaging 500 deaths a day. How can we carry on as normal?

I don't think playing football in an empty stadium is normal. Buses are still on the road etc etc.. We can't just stop because people are dying, of course its terribly sad but in my opinion that is even more reason to try to get football the national sport back. It's entertainment at the end of the day and that would be very welcome

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Of course there are risks. But the risks are miniscule and similar in size to the many risks we all take with our lives every day. If other workers are pressing ahead then so should footballers. Why should they be different?

Because they are unable to follow the social distancing guidelines as required of the rest of the workforce. Safety of players is also not the only issue. A couple of hundred people are required to put on a match behind closed doors.
I’m not sure I agree with your assessment of the risk either. There is no comparitive within our lifetimes for infection and death rates and that’s even with most of the country confined to their homes.

 

[Super Steve Earle]

Of course there are risks. But the risks are miniscule and similar in size to the many risks we all take with our lives every day. If other workers are pressing ahead then so should footballers. Why should they be different?

Now you are just talking rubbish. Miniscule? similar to other risks we take every day? Other workers pressing ahead? Pull your head in and get back to the real Covid-19 world.

 

[Wilko]

I don't think playing football in an empty stadium is normal. Buses are still on the road etc etc.. We can't just stop because people are dying, of course its terribly sad but in my opinion that is even more reason to try to get football the national sport back. It's entertainment at the end of the day and that would be very welcome

......at the expense of? Players? Management? Media crew? Their families? I want football back as much as anyone but only when it is safe to do so and ideally with the most important piece of the jigsaw too- the fans.

 

[essbee1]

Of course there are risks. But the risks are miniscule and similar in size to the many risks we all take with our lives every day. If other workers are pressing ahead then so should footballers. Why should they be different?

But as has been posted before by Bozza I believe, it's not about whether YOU or I are safe; it's also about making sure that
we can't pass it on.

 

[dejavuatbtn]

Football isn’t football without the fans. No fans, no games. Scrap the season. Give out prizes. No relegation. Promote anyone but Leeds. Have a bigger premier league for one season. Spread the losses over rest of contract with sky and bt. Start a new season when safe to do and amend programme of cups accordingly.

 

[Super Steve Earle]

I don't think playing football in an empty stadium is normal. Buses are still on the road etc etc.. We can't just stop because people are dying, of course its terribly sad but in my opinion that is even more reason to try to get football the national sport back. It's entertainment at the end of the day and that would be very welcome

Actually we can just stop football because people are dying. In that context, there is no justification to bring football back yet. Ooh, let's have some entertainment back and see if any of our BAME footballers catch it and die or infect and kill their relatives. It's entertainment at the end of the day so who cares if a few entertainers or their family die to give it to us. It's our right to have a bit of welcome relief from being stuck at home - NOT!!!

 

[Wardy's twin]

Of course there are risks. But the risks are miniscule and similar in size to the many risks we all take with our lives every day. If other workers are pressing ahead then so should footballers. Why should they be different?

Because what they do is not necessary and its not just the players its any and all who will be needed to support the games being played.

We have a government that couldn't lead us out of a paper back giving wishy washy statements about this disease, we are one of the worlds leading economies and one of the worst affected.

The other leagues realise this isn't likely to happen the debate is all about sky money. Yes the albion will benefit from 'null and void' or 'finish as is' but at least that way of doing it does not introduce unnecessary risk or as Murray said hold on a bit longer.

 

[Miami Seagull]

Can you give us an example where other workers "pressing head" are in so close proximity to each other and can do nothing to avoid such prolonged physical contact ?

Prolonged contact? With people that will have been tested multiple times in the past few weeks? There are many people working in far far riskier situations. Here are a few. Transport workers, airport workers, doctors, police, nurses, fire service, dentists, shop workers. The list goes on and on. Footballers are at no greater risk, in fact far less than those already listed many of whom are far more vulnerable to the virus.

My point here is not that we should force football back. But if it wont come back then surely those employed within the game should do what the rest of us have had to endure, including furloughs.

Enough.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I don't think playing football in an empty stadium is normal. Buses are still on the road etc etc.. We can't just stop because people are dying, of course its terribly sad but in my opinion that is even more reason to try to get football the national sport back. It's entertainment at the end of the day and that would be very welcome

Depends on your views on lifting lockdown as football seems an intrinsic part of that. By so doing we risk a second peak of the virus and all that entails for NHS capacity and the country’s health. Allowing football too soon is likely (in my view) to contribute to this outcome. This was one of the main points being made by Glenn on Project Restart; it is too soon.