[Politics] Brexit

[Thunder Bolt]

Of course it doesn't, but I'm not sure how what Australia does (or the USA for that instance) applies to the UK.

There are two issues in the UK (obviously), lets be honest.

A very fast influx of East Europeans that has now slowed and was completely in the gift of any previous Government (and future) to alleviate.

The second is where non European immigrants have failed to integrate and been allowed to congregate. In areas (mainly up North) that have lost their traditional industries there has been understandable discontent.

That has NOTHING to do with the EU.

Governments in this country have been a bit shit recently looking at the social efforts of immigration, but they didn't allow immigration for politically correct purposes. They did it because they thought (rightly or wrongly) the economy required it.

Anyway - all this talk of immigration and "taking back control" is a complete red herring. The whole mess is about the border in the Northern Island.

I'm sorry to say the but the thick as mince right wing of the Tory party forgot about the Union. "We'll sort it out later" simply means we forgot about it in the first place. Realising their mistake they are now looking to save face by dumping the Unionists in Northern Ireland.

Swallow it, you know who to blame.

Everyone seems to be forgetting Gibraltar who are in the same position as Northern Ireland. Hundreds cross the border every day for work & school.
Gibraltar returns an MEP along with the South West of England.
How any ex service people can just abandon Gib, is beyond me.

 

[nicko31]

Too many unanswered questions about what happened in 2016. The government has been all too keen to sweep things under the carpet

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241848

 

[Norman Potting]

Oh good, another petition, although in fairness a sensible one. I have reached the "glazed over" stage with Brexit. Good job that Rees-Mogg, Johnson and Gove appear to have a handle on it though

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Everyone seems to be forgetting Gibraltar who are in the same position as Northern Ireland. Hundreds cross the border every day for work & school.
Gibraltar returns an MEP along with the South West of England.
How any ex service people can just abandon Gib, is beyond me.

Good point. Right from the start of this miserable process I wondered what it would be like had Gib been a Brexiteer pet project. We would have been flooded with stories of 'brave little Gib' and its noble contribution to the war effort: Boris would have written pages of his ghastly sub-Churchillian rhetoric on the topic and accused those of compromising its territorial integrity of a treachery. These people are without shame.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Now that Baker Lite has abandoned the game, I see the remaining Brexiteers a bit like those participants in 'British Bulldog' games (and they'll take this as a compliment) we played at school where gradually the number of runners were whittled down and the odds of capture and defeat became overwhelming. Soon it'll be just an heroic Pasta left, perhaps?

 

[colonies man]

Interesting that people in UK still call it the EU Many Europeans have for many years called it Germany Inc.Ask those Greeks who bought Merc's they could not afford with money the Germans loaned them.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

I'm not complacent and I don't believe for one second that leavers are racist. I describe myself as a reluctant remainer, but that's due to my natural dislike of bureaucracy. I decided to vote remain in the morning.


Just a gentle reminder that the EU is one of the largest bureaucratic monsters the world has ever seen. It employs 55,000 people and approx 1:10 of those are on six figure salaries or higher. It is a ticket to ride on a bureaucratic gravy train that attracts many snouts to the trough.
For what its worth, I also dislike bureaucracy with a passion. I am attracted to wealth creators not those who attempt to strangle business with red tape to justify their own existence or find ever more ways to extract ever more sums of money from those who are trying to employ more people and re-invest in their businesses.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Interesting that people in UK still call it the EU Many Europeans have for many years called it Germany Inc.Ask those Greeks who bought Merc's they could not afford with money the Germans loaned them.

Tosh. Just how many other nationalities do you actually talk to on a regular basis?

 

[beorhthelm]

Too many unanswered questions about what happened in 2016. The government has been all too keen to sweep things under the carpet

referendum was non-binding and parliament voted to invoke article 50, remember? petition MPs to simply revoke, not faff around with sideshows.

 

[Publius Ovidius]

I never realised this...hey swivel eyed loonies...look.

 

[colonies man]

Tosh. Just how many other nationalities do you actually talk to on a regular basis?

Tosh to you I travel quite a lot in Europe and there are many who feel that Germany as the only real economic force in the EU do largely control it.This might be a good thing.but is the perception of many that Union has a clear leader/

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Interesting that people in UK still call it the EU Many Europeans have for many years called it Germany Inc.

That’s strange. Despite working alongside colleagues from France, Switzerland, Italy, Holland, Greece, Austria amongst others, I’ve never once heard the term.

Maybe we just move in different circles?

 

[daveinplzen]

That’s strange. Despite working alongside colleagues from France, Switzerland, Italy, Holland, Greece, Austria amongst others, I’ve never once heard the term.

Maybe we just move in different circles?

Never heard the phrase, and ive lived in the EU since the late 90s
Im also expecting a lot of new room names coming as this cluster**** comes to its conclusion.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Tosh to you I travel quite a lot in Europe and there are many who feel that Germany as the only real economic force in the EU do largely control it.This might be a good thing.but is the perception of many that Union has a clear leader/

I have friends in Athens, so not just travelling meeting hotel receptionists or business people. The French are also very proud of their country and don't take 'orders' from Germany

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[The Clamp]

Two weeks I think.

Yeah. The 12th I believe. As it stands.

 

[colonies man]

Except all your comments just will remind you of the old joke in Europe circa 70/80 often heard in Germany.Our bankers did what our army couldn't conquer Europe.

 

[Silverhatch]

If Brexit does not happen democracy will be finished in our country.

Surely Brexit is the BEST thing that has happened to our democracy in living memory. It's laid bare the workings of our Parliamentary democracy and it has got people talking about the political process.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

I'm not complacent and I don't believe for one second that leavers are racist. I describe myself as a reluctant remainer, but that's due to my natural dislike of bureaucracy. I decided to vote remain in the morning.


Just a gentle reminder that the EU is one of the largest bureaucratic monsters the world has ever seen. It employs 55,000 people and approx 1:10 of those are on six figure salaries or higher. It is a ticket to ride on a bureaucratic gravy train that attracts many snouts to the trough.
For what its worth, I also dislike bureaucracy with a passion. I am attracted to wealth creators not those who attempt to strangle business with red tape to justify their own existence or find ever more ways to extract ever more sums of money from those who are trying to employ more people and re-invest in their businesses.

Well you'll never find anyone who says - 'hey, I love bureaucrats'. But just to introduce a bit of balance, this was a claim made by Nick Clegg a few years back

"The total size of the European bureaucracy is about exactly the same size as the number of people employed by Derbyshire County Council. Some super-state!"


Now he was being a bit naughty with the figures (he's a politician and was in a debate with a guy called Farage) but the 'fact' is that the number of these specimens (given the reach, budget and powers of the EU, especially when compared with Derbyshire County Council) is relatively tiny.


Vote and support Leave for all sorts of reasons, but the sheer size of the EU civil service is really not a good one.

 

[BigGully]

Never heard the phrase, and ive lived in the EU since the late 90s
Im also expecting a lot of new room names coming as this cluster**** comes to its conclusion.

Never heard that term either ......

 

[The Clamp]

Wilson’s Tickle can be a git too. Everyone has the right to offend but some abuse the privilege.

A right is, by it’s very definition not a privilege.