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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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Garry Nelson's teacher

Well-known member
May 11, 2015
5,257
Bloody Worthing!
Spreadsheet Phil seems to be drawing quite a bit of flak from the Brexit Tendency and I heard a call for him to resign today. I wonder how the Cabinet is going to react to the impact that the 'no-deal Brexit' papers will have - bearing in mind we've not even had half of them yet and that the really tricky ones might be left to last?
 
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daveinprague

New member
Oct 1, 2009
12,572
Prague, Czech Republic
If one can generalise (without stereotyping) I am of the view that rarely do Leavers engage in much detailed analysis. Sometimes they might rubbish the detailed analysis presented by others (Project Fear/ Establishment/ Elitist garbage) but often it's just a case of 'were on our way' or the dreaded 'tick tock'.

I think that sometimes because they might not have a convincing response or are simply in denial or (fair enough) can't be arsed. I'm not saying they have no evidence-base for their views or they lack the intellectual infrastructure; it's just that sometimes it kinds of slide by them.


Its because they are more worried about losing face than worried about the countries future. Fragile ego's and thin skin's etc.
 
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Baker lite

Banned
Mar 16, 2017
6,309
in my house
BrExit - the countdown to 11PM GMT on Friday 29th of March 2019

It’s going be very interesting reviewing this Thread in 2 years time.
Will the four horsemen have swept through the baron wastelands of the tented Hampstead Heath,slaughtering the poor souls as they clamber over their last few bottles of prosseco?The acrid stench of butternut squash rotting in the fields,top knot fighting with top knot over the black market paracetamol that has recently reached £700 a tablet,the jihadis will have long gone,not point inflicting terror and murder on a nation that no longer wants to live.
Or We could just be be getting on with it..
On our way.


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WATFORD zero

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NSC Patron
Jul 10, 2003
25,877
If one can generalise (without stereotyping) I am of the view that rarely do Leavers engage in much detailed analysis. Sometimes they might rubbish the detailed analysis presented by others (Project Fear/ Establishment/ Elitist garbage) but often it's just a case of 'were on our way' or the dreaded 'tick tock'.

I think that sometimes because they might not have a convincing response or are simply in denial or (fair enough) can't be arsed. I'm not saying they have no evidence-base for their views or they lack the intellectual infrastructure; it's just that sometimes it kinds of slide by them.

In the early days, post referendum, there was far more engagement with the whole process, with plenty of optimism around getting a 'good deal' with the EU, new trade deals, saving the money that we spent on the EU, Independence from EU jurisdiction, and of course, taking control over immigration.

As time has gone on, each of these areas has been opened up for inspection and

The EU won't let us cherry pick the good deal we were promised and there is a growing realisation of how much we rely on the EU for all sorts of areas outside trade.
Obviously the 'New trade deals' couldn't be negotiated, but it's apparent we are way behind the EU in the queue and subservient to the EU even when trying to get new deals (ie Japan)
The money we save by not contributing to the EU will be eaten up by the areas we will have to take legislative and regulatory responsibility for (outside of any trade issues)
If we want to continue to trade with the EU at all (either directly or under WTO) we will still have to abide by EU rules and legislation.
As the economy has slowed and the pound dropped, so EU immigration has dropped. People are now becoming aware that we could have always controlled non EU immigration and put in place procedures to manage EU immigration to employment status but no British Government have ever bothered.

To be fair, what do we have left

TM's chequers deal, which still has significant areas outstanding on NI/Ireland, EU jurisdiction, the collection of EU tariffs, etc - I suspect that there will still need to be some significant softening of TM's deal before any agreement from the EU.

Or

'No deal' for which we have not started preparing infrastructure and only put our WTO submissions in 3 weeks ago, ready to start negotiations with all WTO members (which includes the EU !) in 90 days time.

Apart from whataboutism, insults, pathetic attempts at humour and the occasional jpeg of a good news story, what else could you put forward as an argument :shrug:

*edit* And, if ever proof was needed, look at the responses in the time it took me to type all that out :lolol:
 
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Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
How do you know what Baker lite meant? :facepalm:

More to the point why do you have alter egos? :mad:

Because it was fairly obvious to anybody who has left skool :dunce:Are you really that thick?:facepalm::lolol:

It's only moaners that need an alter ego to 'like' them,because we're leaving nanny EU behind :cry::cry::cry:
 


Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
In the early days, post referendum, there was far more engagement with the whole process, with plenty of optimism around getting a 'good deal' with the EU, new trade deals, saving the money that we spent on the EU, Independence from EU jurisdiction, and of course, taking control over immigration.

As time has gone on, each of these areas has been opened up for inspection and

The EU won't let us cherry pick the good deal we were promised and there is a growing realisation of how much we rely on the EU for all sorts of areas outside trade.
Obviously the 'New trade deals' couldn't be negotiated, but it's apparent we are way behind the EU in the queue and subservient to the EU even when trying to get new deals (ie Japan)
The money we save by not contributing to the EU will be eaten up by the areas we will have to take legislative and regulatory responsibility for (outside of any trade issues)
If we want to continue to trade with the EU at all (either directly or under WTO) we will still have to abide by EU rules and legislation.
As the economy has slowed and the pound dropped, so EU immigration has dropped. People are now becoming aware that we could have always controlled non EU immigration and put in place procedures to manage EU immigration to employment status but no British Government have ever bothered.

To be fair, what do we have left

TM's chequers deal, which still has significant areas outstanding on NI/Ireland, EU jurisdiction, the collection of EU tariffs, etc - I suspect that there will still need to be some significant softening of TM's deal before any agreement from the EU.

Or

'No deal' for which we have not started preparing infrastructure and only put our WTO submissions in 3 weeks ago, ready to start negotiations with all WTO members (which includes the EU !) in 90 days time.

Apart from whataboutism, insults, pathetic attempts at humour and the occasional jpeg of a good news story, what else could you put forward as an argument :shrug:

*edit* And, if ever proof was needed, look at the responses in the time it took me to type all that out :lolol:

Jackanory,jackanory,jackanory,dumb dumb.
 




pb21

Well-known member
Apr 23, 2010
6,330
Because it was fairly obvious to anybody who has left skool :dunce:Are you really that thick?:facepalm::lolol:

It's only moaners that need an alter ego to 'like' them,because we're leaving nanny EU behind :cry::cry::cry:

Both egos post in the same bizarre.way.you answer.Questions intended for the other.and you are both obnoxious to varying degrees.One seems to post from an ipad,the other a PC.Never the twain shall meet.

I hate to break it to you but you are one and the same, I’m not that thick, I’m sure others aren’t too, even some of those who voted for Brexit.

Might be worth speaking to someone, either of you, if you don’t believe me, as you probably need help :nono:
 


Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
Both egos post in the same bizarre.way.you answer.Questions intended for the other.and you are both obnoxious to varying degrees.One seems to post from an ipad,the other a PC.Never the twain shall meet.

I hate to break it to you but you are one and the same, I’m not that thick, I’m sure others aren’t too, even some of those who voted for Brexit.

Might be worth speaking to someone, either of you, if you don’t believe me, as you probably need help :nono:

Paranoid Bone-headed,what does the 21 stand for?You certainly are that thick if you think we need a pretend friend to help us out.You lot are the bleating sheep following your EU masters home to your comfort blankets.:D
 












Butch Willykins

Well-known member
Jun 17, 2011
2,533
Shoreham-by-Sea
So, nothing to worry about. What happens the day after we leave, if we leave with no deal? Walk me through it to put my mind at rest.

Dave, you’ve asked this question about 40 times. You’ve clearly got some smart arse retort lined up so can you put us all out our ****ing misery and just spit it out.

My answer to the question is no one truly knows. But I guarantee it won’t be half as bad as you or that soppy Watford bloke are hoping and praying for. We’re big boys. We’ll be ok.

We’re on our way.
 






daveinprague

New member
Oct 1, 2009
12,572
Prague, Czech Republic
Dave, you’ve asked this question about 40 times. You’ve clearly got some smart arse retort lined up so can you put us all out our ****ing misery and just spit it out.

My answer to the question is no one truly knows. But I guarantee it won’t be half as bad as you or that soppy Watford bloke are hoping and praying for. We’re big boys. We’ll be ok.

We’re on our way.

Theres no smart arse retort at all. Im simply proving that Brexiteers have no answers, when asked about the intricacies of trading under WTO. No smart arse retort is needed really.
So, Brexiteers voted for something that they dont know the outcome of? Brilliant. Thanks.
Im not, and I doubt ANY remainers are hoping and praying for a bad outcome. We want the best for the country and its people, some plan that involves.. 'no one truly knows' is not a confidence building plan.
You can put yourselves out of 'misery' by explaining how it will work.
 
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