Danny Ings: Season long loan from Liverpool?

[B.W.]

You and your hyperbole icy. Fine we didn’t sign someone in the summer - all agreed - but odd to say, we *can’t* sign decent strikers cos Murray, Zamora and Hemed don’t count (let alone Baldock) . As for selling the club in the summer, at least 2 £10m+ strikers agreed terms.

So we’ve landed 3 decent strikers in the last few seasons. Scored 150+ goals in 2 record breaking champ seasons yet somehow we’re the “worst” . The worst at what ?

Signing strikers. We should have AT LEAST 4 strikers on permanent deals. We gave a 3-year extension to the permanently injured Baldock. We clearly wanted to sell Hemed, but were forced to keep him, because we repeatedly FAILED to plug the most obvious gap in our squad for about 2 years. Yes, we have failed, but now have a chance to FINALLY plug the gap. Stop defending the indefensible CJ: it just makes you look foolish...

 

[chaileyjem]

Signing strikers. We should have AT LEAST 4 strikers on permanent deals. We gave a 3-year extension to the permanently injured Baldock. We clearly wanted to sell Hemed, but were forced to keep him, because we repeatedly FAILED to plug the most obvious gap in our squad for about 2 years. Yes, we have failed, but now have a chance to FINALLY plug the gap. Stop defending the indefensible CJ: it just makes you look foolish...

I’m not saying we shouldn’t have. I agree. Hope we finally land that player in the next few weeks.

But nonsense to say we haven’t signed *any* strikers that have been successful in recent seasons or saying our record her is the worst compared to *everyone* else.

 

[Birdie Boy]

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[chaileyjem]

Was I not clear in what I thought have [we] been successful in signing the right type of striker over the last couple of seasons.

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Yes. We have. Otherwise we wouldn’t have been promoted or finished with 89+ points 2 seasons in a row. And Hemed/Murray have done their best in prem earning points that will keep us up (I hope). We signed 3 decent strikers in this period.

Does this mean we shouldn’t have signed a striker in the summer or in Next few weeks - of course not. It’s needed.

But not sure why you’re in denial about contribution Murray, Hemed, Zamora or indeed Baldock have made or why they don’t count as successful striker signings. Or why we we are the worst in entire prem league and top half of the champ (in last 6 months ? , in last 2 years ?) - on basis of what - goals scored per striker ? Cost of striker ?

 

[Weststander]

I'm missing no point at all, the selling club have set the price and added 50% to the previous world record fee for a defender.

Liverpool must know there's money in the bank either from a good Champions League run and qualification again, or they'll be flogging one of their assets (Coutinho to Barcelona?!) in the summer. Naby Keita is costing them another £70m next summer, it's crazy money they can spend and know how easily they can finance these deals.

Liverpool can finance these deals with ease, they’re financially well run and do not finance player purchases with debt. For every big fee paid, they also acquire players for peanuts such Coutinho, Matip, Karius and Gomez. Salah might now be worth double his fee in just 4 months.

Even smaller Everton spent £200m last summer. Who would have thought Michael Keane was worth £30m? The player market is accelerating fast for many reasons and is only going to get more heated as Amazon/Netlix eventually compete for TV rights.

 

[Icy Gull]

Yes. We have. Otherwise we wouldn’t have been promoted or finished with 89+ points 2 seasons in a row. And Hemed/Murray have done their best in prem earning points that will keep us up (I hope). We signed 3 decent strikers in this period.

Does this mean we shouldn’t have signed a striker in the summer or in Next few weeks - of course not. It’s needed.

But not sure why you’re in denial about contribution Murray, Hemed, Zamora or indeed Baldock have made or why they don’t count as successful striker signings. Or why we we are the worst in entire prem league and top half of the champ (in last 6 months ? , in last 2 years ?) - on basis of what - goals scored per striker ? Cost of striker ?

I am quite happy with Murray and Hemed, as well as Baldock when he isn’t injured but they are Championship quality rather than Premier League quality and that is what we desperately need. Telling me how well we did last season doesn’t cut it for this season does it? You keep asking why I am saying we are the worst at recruiting decent strikers. Maybe you could answer the question as to who has less quality strikers in the Premier League than us, because I can’t think of a single team, hence my saying we are the worst at recruiting them. With better strikers we could be doing a Burnley rather than looking over our shoulders as we are now starting to do.

 

[chaileyjem]

I am quite happy with Murray and Hemed, as well as Baldock when he isn’t injured but they are Championship quality rather than Premier League quality and that is what we desperately need. Telling me how well we did last season doesn’t cut it for this season does it? You keep asking why I am saying we are the worst at recruiting decent strikers. Maybe you could answer the question as to who has less quality strikers in the Premier League than us, because I can’t think of a single team, hence my saying we are the worst at recruiting them. With better strikers we could be doing a Burnley rather than looking over our shoulders as we are now starting to do.

So we are ok at recruiting strikers now. For the Championship.Ok thats good.

As for the Prem , yes we all know, we haven't actually recruited any so hard to say.

As for Burnley then last time i looked Glenn Murray has scored more goals than any of the Burnley strikers this season.

 

[Icy Gull]

So we are ok at recruiting strikers now. For the Championship.Ok thats good.

As for the Prem , yes we all know, we haven't actually recruited any so hard to say.

As for Burnley then last time i looked Glenn Murray has scored more goals than any of the Burnley strikers this season.

That’s probably because Burnley have strikers that they can rotate as they are not all in the same mould so they haven’t had the game time Murray has? Gross has also scored quite a few does that mean we needn’t bother looking for a bit of pace up front then? I am not sure there is any argument that you can come up with that will convince me that we have the options that other teams have up front tbh. If so, you haven’t put it forward yet

So, imo, we ARE the worst at recruiting Premier League quality forwards so far. Please let me end up with egg on my face in early January...

 

[B.W.]

So CJ admits we failed to sign any strikers in the summer, when we clearly needed to do so.
So CJ is unable to name any Prem club with a group of strikers weaker than ours.

Wow, wonders will never cease...

 

[chaileyjem]

So CJ admits we failed to sign any strikers in the summer, when we clearly needed to do so.
So CJ is unable to name any Prem club with a group of strikers weaker than ours.

Wow, wonders will never cease...

Wonders happen quite a lot B.W. I said we should have signed a striker on here, and failure to do so might cost us way back in September (and said similar in Sept 2016 after that window - shows what i know).
http://www.northstandchat.com/showt...-Open-Letter&p=8109426&viewfull=1#post8109426

And it goes without saying that on paper most but not all clubs in the Prem have strikers that look stronger than Hemed, Baldock and Murray.
Although Hemed and Murray have done better than any expected in earning us points in the first half of the season.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

I am quite happy with Murray and Hemed, as well as Baldock when he isn’t injured but they are Championship quality rather than Premier League quality and that is what we desperately need. Telling me how well we did last season doesn’t cut it for this season does it? You keep asking why I am saying we are the worst at recruiting decent strikers. Maybe you could answer the question as to who has less quality strikers in the Premier League than us, because I can’t think of a single team, hence my saying we are the worst at recruiting them. With better strikers we could be doing a Burnley rather than looking over our shoulders as we are now starting to do.

I thought we had established that the club prefers to invest its limited resources elsewhere in the team to get better return on investment in terms of contributions to points won, seeing strikers as overpriced. It is a strategy that has been successful, considering our results of 3rd in the championship, 2nd in the championship and now 12th in the prem. If we had spent more on strikers would we have got the defence and midfield we have now? Buying a new striker is not a zero-sum game.

You saying we are the worst at recruiting strikers suggests a failure on the behalf of the club, when it looks like that is actually a feature of the clubs recruitment strategy. Obviously we were going to invest in a striker last summer but the medical was failed, so we will presumably go again this winter.

 

[Icy Gull]

I thought we had established that the club prefers to invest its limited resources elsewhere in the team to get better return on investment in terms of contributions to points won, seeing strikers as overpriced. It is a strategy that has been successful, considering our results of 3rd in the championship, 2nd in the championship and now 12th in the prem. If we had spent more on strikers would we have got the defence and midfield we have now? Buying a new striker is not a zero-sum game.

You saying we are the worst at recruiting strikers suggests a failure on the behalf of the club, when it looks like that is actually a feature of the clubs recruitment strategy. Obviously we were going to invest in a striker last summer but the medical was failed, so we will presumably go again this winter.

I want to be clear that I think the club have done an amazing job over the last few years and I am not actually complaining. If we end up back in the Championship so be it. Maybe we are just unlucky on the striker front as we haven’t struggled so much in any other position but we constantly fail to attract a young striker with size and pace. Other clubs of our size have managed it though, is that not frustrating to you too?

 

[BensGrandad]

The simple answer is a bid for Ulloa who is better on the ground than both Murray and Hemed, is also better in the air than Hemed butnot Murray and is quicker than both.

 

[Icy Gull]

The simple answer is a bid for Ulloa who is better on the ground than both Murray and Hemed, is also better in the air than Hemed butnot Murray and is quicker than both.

Ulloa is 100% not what we are looking for imo. We’d have three strikers all in the same mould. We need genuine pace and physical presence to get on the end of the crosses when our wingers get the chance to attack rather than defend. Ulloa would be another one lumbering up from defending and probably only on the half way line by the time the wingers were ready to put a ball in. Exactly like Murray and Hemed.

 

[*Gullsworth*]

Would Bournemouth be interested in him? They are in need of a striker and probably he would jump at the chance to play for them again. I think we would be in second place if they showed an interest in him.

 

[BensGrandad]

Ulloa is 100% not what we are looking for imo. We’d have three strikers all in the same mould. We need genuine pace and physical presence to get on the end of the crosses when our wingers get the chance to attack rather than defend. Ulloa would be another one lumbering up from defending and probably only on the half way line by the time the wingers were ready to put a ball in. Exactly like Murray and Hemed.

I disagree as I think that he is similar but better in all respects than Hemed and only behind Murray on his aerial ability and faster than both Murray and Hemed.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Would Bournemouth be interested in him? They are in need of a striker and probably he would jump at the chance to play for them again. I think we would be in second place if they showed an interest in him.

If Ings is eager to go out on loan, then it will be because he wants to play as many games as possible.

With us he'd be competing for game-time with just Murray and Hemed - at Bournemouth with Wilson, Afobe, King and (when he's back) Defoe.

that might help.

 

[*Gullsworth*]

I disagree as I think that he is similar but better in all respects than Hemed and only behind Murray on his aerial ability and was faster than both Murray and Hemed.

Corrected for you BG. He may be a little slower now he is in his thirties

 

[BensGrandad]

Corrected for you BG. He may be a little slower now he is in his thirties

Cannot think that he has slowed down that much and he also wouldnt cost silly money, especially if they havent fully paid for him yet, which is possible.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

I thought we had established that the club prefers to invest its limited resources elsewhere in the team to get better return on investment in terms of contributions to points won, seeing strikers as overpriced. It is a strategy that has been successful, considering our results of 3rd in the championship, 2nd in the championship and now 12th in the prem. If we had spent more on strikers would we have got the defence and midfield we have now? Buying a new striker is not a zero-sum game.

You saying we are the worst at recruiting strikers suggests a failure on the behalf of the club, when it looks like that is actually a feature of the clubs recruitment strategy. Obviously we were going to invest in a striker last summer but the medical was failed, so we will presumably go again this winter.

I'm not sure the midfield we have now is good enough either, certainly the central pair. Not a single goal from either Stephens or Propper all season? I know that scoring isn't their main job, but some contribution isn't too much to ask, surely?