[Politics] Brexit

[ManOfSussex]

So much bitterness. Feel free to steer it back to your and Ernies balanced, well-sourced contributions with those hilarious Farage/Mogg pics

So much hypocrisy - coming from you who dismisses 'experts' when anything negative is posted on Brexit, but then agrees with their every word when it suits you, particularly in regards to your obsession with the Labour Party.

Frankly anything contributed by anyone is more of a well sourced contribution than the hilarious spin and propaganda you promulgate.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I see the Government in waiting were setting out a clear alternative this morning.

Jeremy Corbyn, three weeks ago: Doesn’t rule out second referendum

Diane Abbott, two weeks ago: Backs second referendum

Diane Abbott, today: Rules out second referendum

Tom Watson, today: Doesn’t rule out second referendum

Almost as clear as The Tories...

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...breaks-ranks-with-brexit-vassal-state-warning

 

[WATFORD zero]

We will only see what red lines have been erased (if any)when a final deal is agreed.

Do you really believe this "nothing has been agreed till everything has been agreed" shit ? It is about as meaningful as a Red, White and Blue Brexit. It's just another soundbite put out for idiots. Your precious red lines didn't even last through the first phase of negotiations.

Do you really believe that the statement of the Friday before last when we gave away border control and parliamentary sovereignty was just some sort of 'sham' to be ignored when we feel like it. We were just saying what was needed to get us to phase 2, with no commitment or comeback ?

I really am totally stunned that you (and others) could think that all the brinkmanship, negotiations, phone calls through the night and panicked statements of 2 weeks ago were pointless and the whole of phase 1 stage of the negotiations, that had to be completed before we went onto phase 2, then had no further impact and could all be reversed in phase 2. Even David Davis has since admitted that he's been put right on that.

The truth is the EU have been playing us since the day after the vote, we have followed their plan to the letter, and you are grasping at straws.

And before you accuse me of being some Jeremy Corbyn supporter, I've never voted for him. I don't even blame TM for where we are. She (or whoever stepped up) was f***ed the moment they stepped up after the vote, but naked ambition is a strange thing. Why do you think she is till leader when she has such ridiculously low ratings ? The Tories aren't known for loyalty under pressure, however it's because no right minded politician who believes they have any kind of future is going to take on this cluster****.

She had no choice other than to do what she was told by the 52%. And at each stage, she has done exactly what you have asked her to do.

 

[The Clamp]

#40933?

If your democratic vote/voice is continuously proved worthless or ignored in a democracy (even when it wins), it's inevitable some people are likely to get angry and are driven to the extremes.

It wouldn't be continually ignored. It would be reversing a process that is going very badly wrong after an advisory referendum. Once.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Oh I think you'll find plenty of people who want to ignore the 17.4 million votes (including undemocratic loons on this thread).



flim flam indeed

Ludicrous. Anyone who suggests that there is no difference between (a) ignoring the 23 June referendum result and (b) hoping that there will be another democratic event that leads to it being overturned is either totally devious or barely sentient.

 

[nicko31]

So what happened to the £350m / week? Don't worry folks it hasn't gone away, this is the amount the UK economy has lost since the vote

https://www.ft.com/content/e3b29230-db5f-11e7-a039-c64b1c09b482

The big question is when Brexit utopia does emerge, how many of the 52% will actually be alive to see it?

 

[beorhthelm]

Do you really believe this "nothing has been agreed till everything has been agreed" shit ? It is about as meaningful as a Red, White and Blue Brexit. It's just another soundbite put out for idiots. Your precious red lines didn't even last through the first phase of negotiations.

its in para. 5 of the Joint Report. which also states "This does not prejudge any adaptations that might be appropriate in case transitional arrangements were to be agreed in the second phase of the negotiations". i dont know why you argue so strongly against a document that the EU has agreed as only an interim progress report.

 

[Ernest]

There's more chance of Theresa May turning up at PMQ's blacked up in a Dianne Abbot outfit than her being able to unite her cabinet into one Brexit policy and aspiration

 

[Baldseagull]

its in para. 5 of the Joint Report. which also states "This does not prejudge any adaptations that might be appropriate in case transitional arrangements were to be agreed in the second phase of the negotiations". i dont know why you argue so strongly against a document that the EU has agreed as only an interim progress report.

Ok, so in the case that we don't agree anything, it stands. In the case that we agree transitional arrangements it may be tweaked a bit, is that how you see it?

 

[beorhthelm]

Ok, so in the case that we don't agree anything, it stands. In the case that we agree transitional arrangements it may be tweaked a bit, is that how you see it?

yes. and thats how the EU see it. its their document, their wording.

 

[Titanic]

Robust growth in UK exports

#despiteBrExit

 

[Baldseagull]

yes. and thats how the EU see it. its their document, their wording.

Then I think you and Watford Zero are close to agreement. The area of disagreement would seem to be how much tweaking would be done in the case of transitional arrangements.

 

[daveinprague]

Robust growth in UK exports

#despiteBrExit

Weak pound promotes export growth shock. More after sports.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Then I think you and Watford Zero are close to agreement. The area of disagreement would seem to be how much tweaking would be done in the case of transitional arrangements.

Isn't this just kicking the can down the road? If the tweaking included 'amending' the Irish border agreement Dublin would then veto the final deal, surely? Instead of an impasse this year, we would have one next year.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Weak pound promotes export growth shock.

...and helped by the fact that our major markets, unlike us, are booming.

 

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[beorhthelm]

Isn't this just kicking the can down the road?

that is the national sport of Brussels. recall the problems with the Euro debt? Greece? still unresolved, just enough done to buy a little time and hope something will sort them later.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Then I think you and Watford Zero are close to agreement. The area of disagreement would seem to be how much tweaking would be done in the case of transitional arrangements.

A bit like TM is now trying to get the EU to agree to us negotiating other trade deals whilst staying in the Single Market for further 2 years after we have left. I would think this perfectly defines "This does not prejudge any adaptations that might be appropriate in case transitional arrangements were to be agreed in the second phase of the negotiations".

Us saying 'We are now going to set up a hard border and introduce Immigration Controls between NI and Britain (or Ireland / NI)" so that we can maintain someone on NSC's red lines probably doesn't. IMHO

 

[Lincoln Imp]

that is the national sport of Brussels. recall the problems with the Euro debt? Greece? still unresolved, just enough done to buy a little time and hope something will sort them later.

You may well be right, but on this occasion it seems to be the UK doing it by pencilling in a deal it may find hard to confirm. 'Hoping that something sorts itself out' is not an ideal strategy when its the country's future that's dangling on the string. It might have been the best one available though.

 

[nicko31]

Robust growth in UK exports

#despiteBrExit

That’s what happens when our biggest trading partner is doing well.