[Politics] Brexit

[pastafarian]

Lol. You chaps crack me up. Not just because you are so pleasant to people you have never met but also your cutting wit. Not one solution to anything anyone says. Just insults.

Clearly I am not going to provide data - you will just have to take my word for it. You won't, obviously but I have said before how I have dealt with Cummings through work.

I suggest you listen to Nigel. https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/928730704510320640

Today's experts he hates are the world health organisation who have the nerve to say smoking is bad. These experts telling him that smoking kills. I wonder if Nigel would want an expert if he broke a bone or developed cancer. My guess is that he would.

Is it 10-15 industries that want special dispensation post Brexit? I don't understand why any would want one given that the EU holds them back.

With that I am fed up with people who can't debate and just insult so time for another break from the intelligence on show in this thread. I think I will probably make it permanent this time.

We dont need a solution to your lies,half truths and deliberate mis-representations,So why anyone would take your word just because you say so and dont have the data you said is out there is beyond me.
But cheerio anyway.

 

[Baldseagull]

Well spotted Sherlock......and yet we are quitting being members of the single market, we know it, Grimsby knows it and The EU knows it,as M Barnier has repeated he will strive to negotiate a free and fair trade deal as we exit. You dont need to negotiate a new free trade deal with the single market if we were not quitting being members of it in the first place.

The current direction of travel would seem to be taking us out of the single market, Watson, but we keep hearing from industries insisting that their industry must retain free trade, or membership of Euratom, or financial pasporting, or access to migrant labour etc.
It is clear what the solution is, remain in the single market.

 

[Two Professors]

Thank you for the reminder of why I normally have you on " Ignore ". You obviously don't have a clue about fishing but just use my posts to try to get an inane argument going and then try to accuse me of not being " British " . Please go off and support Leeds as you are causing a huge dip in the aggregate IQ of Brighton fans. Adios knuckle dragger, and don't bother to reply, just rub your two brain cells together ( one from each professor ) until they start a fire.

I know you won't read this,but I would like to congratulate you on producing a post without whining.Perhaps you had a pay rise.

 

[pastafarian]

The current direction of travel would seem to be taking us out of the single market, Watson, but we keep hearing from industries insisting that their industry must retain free trade, or membership of Euratom, or financial pasporting, or access to migrant labour etc.
It is clear what the solution is, remain in the single market.

If you had won the referendum you could have stayed members of the single market, but you didnt
Cue uninformed rants that no one mentioned the single market before the referendum.

 

[vegster]

The current direction of travel would seem to be taking us out of the single market, Watson, but we keep hearing from industries insisting that their industry must retain free trade, or membership of Euratom, or financial pasporting, or access to migrant labour etc.
It is clear what the solution is, remain in the single market.

Farmers are getting particularly nervous now, no cheap labour, bye bye subsidies ( although the government has pledged to support the financial losses to farmers for a whole 2 years after Brexit )and Welsh hill farmers now realise that the( subsidised ) lamb they rear will be almost unsaleable to the rest of the world post Brexit as it costs too much to rear.

 

[Baldseagull]

If you had won the referendum you could have stayed members of the single market, but you didnt
Cue uninformed rants that no one mentioned the single market before the referendum.[/QUOTE

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/08/take-it-vote-leave-staffer-there-no-mandate-quit-single-market

 

[Mental Lental]

Thank you for the reminder of why I normally have you on " Ignore ".

I have them all on ignore. Every last one of them. Once I'd put a few of the most obvious windowlickers on ignore and then found that I could still work out exactly what they were saying based on the sensible replies to their drivel I thought "why not just ignore the whole lot of them?"

It's quite cathartic actually.

 

[pastafarian]

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/08/take-it-vote-leave-staffer-there-no-mandate-quit-single-market

Here is no one mentioning leaving the single market before the referendum


“The British public would be voting, if we Leave, would be to Leave the EU and Leave the Single Market”

David Cameron, 12th June 2016

“We should be outside the Single Market.”

Michael Gove, 8th May 2016

“We’d be out of the Single Market, that’s the reality, Britain would be quitting. Quitting the Single Market…”

George Osborne, 8th June 2016

“I don’t want to be part of the European Single Market, I want Britain to leave the European Union, be an independent country and trade with the world”

Nigel Farage, 22nd February 2016

“If the majority in Britain opts for Brexit, that would be a decision against the single market. In is in. Out is out. One has to respect the sovereignty of the British people.”

Wolfgang Schäuble, German Finance Minister, 10th June 2016

 

[vegster]

I have them all on ignore. Every last one of them. Once I'd put a few of the most obvious windowlickers on ignore and then found that I could still work out exactly what they were saying based on the sensible replies to their drivel I thought "why not just ignore the whole lot of them?"

It's quite cathartic actually.

Indeed ! I will happily have a constructive argument with anyone but there is a small group of troglodytes who really are not worth the bother and we all know them. That is the price we pay for living in a democracy, so, that's when I hit the " Ignore " function, so liberating !

 

[Hampster Gull]

There should have been a referendum every time the EU changed. We joined a common market and ended up in a political union without the electorate having any proper say. Nothing has changed with the EU since June 2016 so no need for another referendum. Plenty of policies change in five years in domestic politics hence a general election.

The Great British public were told that the French would also leave this club. Nope. Then the Dutch. Nope. And the Greeks. Nope. The euro would collapse. Nope. That the NHS would get £350m a week. Nope. That the EU would quickly do a deal as they needed to sell us their German cars and Italian proseco more than we needed them. Nope. That a Brexit deal would be simple because well we had all the same regulations. Nope. That we didn’t need foreigners, the NHS could be staffed with rits, and we would pick our own fruit. Nope. That other countries would be querulous to do a deal. Nope. That the EU didn’t know how to negotiate trade deals. Nope. That exit was simple. For sure Nope. That one referendum doesn’t mean forever. Indeed

 

[pastafarian]

I have them all on ignore. Every last one of them. Once I'd put a few of the most obvious windowlickers on ignore and then found that I could still work out exactly what they were saying based on the sensible replies to their drivel I thought "why not just ignore the whole lot of them?"

It's quite cathartic actually.

And yet you reply to Brexit supporters often on NSC including on this thread
Nothing says echo chamber more than someone having a pretend ignore list...

 

[Baldseagull]

Here is no one mentioning leaving the single market before the referendum


“The British public would be voting, if we Leave, would be to Leave the EU and Leave the Single Market”

David Cameron, 12th June 2016

“We should be outside the Single Market.”

Michael Gove, 8th May 2016

“We’d be out of the Single Market, that’s the reality, Britain would be quitting. Quitting the Single Market…”

George Osborne, 8th June 2016

“I don’t want to be part of the European Single Market, I want Britain to leave the European Union, be an independent country and trade with the world”

Nigel Farage, 22nd February 2016

“If the majority in Britain opts for Brexit, that would be a decision against the single market. In is in. Out is out. One has to respect the sovereignty of the British people.”

Wolfgang Schäuble, German Finance Minister, 10th June 2016

I thought everything Cameron and Osborne said was project fear bullshit?
How about your old mate Dan Hannan, and his "absolutely no one is talking about threatening our place in the single market"
How about the previous 15 years of campaigning by Farage during which he regularly cited Norway and Switzerland as examples of non-EU nations doing rather well?
And lastly, if we can just dismiss the claim on the side of the bus, why not anything else the leave protagonists said?

Just to add, I did not claim it was never mentioned, but the link I provided is to a piece by a staffer of Vote Leave and he claims "Vote Leave did not ever present to the electorate a plan for Brexit, and did not advocate leaving the single market"

 

[pastafarian]

I thought everything Cameron and Osborne said was project fear bullshit?
How about your old mate Dan Hannan, and his "absolutely no one is talking about threatening our place in the single market"
How about the previous 15 years of campaigning by Farage during which he regularly cited Norway and Switzerland as examples of non-EU nations doing rather well?
And lastly, if we can just dismiss the claim on the side of the bus, why not anything else the leave protagonists said?

Just to add, I did not claim it was never mentioned, but the link I provided is to a piece by a staffer of Vote Leave and he claims "Vote Leave did not ever present to the electorate a plan for Brexit, and did not advocate leaving the single market"

Jesus wept, you still have it bad.
You need to acknowledge with yourself that whining like a broken record over the exact same things you were whining about 17 months ago, which have been argued to death repeatedly by everyone is not going to change the result.
Your side did not put up a good enough argument to keep free movement, stay as members of the single market, remain in the customs union, keep the ECJ as a primary court, keep on leaking law making powers away from Westminster and keep sending the EU billions. Your side failed. Move on.
We are into a whole new world of post referendum negotiating the future, with plenty to be discussed. It really is time to leave your old baggage behind.

 

[Baldseagull]

Jesus wept, you still have it bad.
You need to acknowledge with yourself that whining like a broken record over the exact same things you were whining about 17 months ago, which have been argued to death repeatedly by everyone is not going to change the result.
Your side did not put up a good enough argument to keep free movement, stay as members of the single market, remain in the customs union, keep the ECJ as a primary court, keep on leaking law making powers away from Westminster and keep sending the EU billions. Your side failed. Move on.
We are into a whole new world of post referendum negotiating the future, with plenty to be discussed. It really is time to leave your old baggage behind.

Your side did not put up a solid enough plan to claim a 52% mandate for leaving the single market, everything was offered as "we could" not we would. I fully acknowledge that any conversation I have with you is futile, will not change anything. But as you say, we are negotiating the future, with plenty to be discussed, I would not bet against a Norway type arrangement being the final deal on the table, I only wonder if hard leavers like yourself would want a second referendum on that.

 

[Titanic]

The government has tabled a cross-party backed amendment to the EU Withdrawal Bill revealing the precise moment Britain will finally break free from the shackles of the European Union.

Brexit is set for 11PM GMT on Friday 29th of March 2019.

Theresa May makes the announcement today, writing:

“It will be there in black and white on the front page of this historic piece of legislation: the United Kingdom will be leaving the EU on March 29, 2019 at 11pm GMT.”

The PM took the opportunity to slap down any Brexit-wreckers in the Commons, including on her own backbenches, warning:

“But I am just as clear of this: we will not tolerate attempts from any quarter to use the process of amendments to this Bill as a mechanism to try to block the democratic wishes of the British people by attempting to slow down or stop our departure from the European Union. The British people have been clear. Parliament itself voted for Article 50 – and for this Bill at its Second Reading. We are leaving the European Union on March 29, 2019.”

 

[WATFORD zero]

The government has tabled a cross-party backed amendment to the EU Withdrawal Bill revealing the precise moment Britain will finally break free from the shackles of the European Union.

Brexit is set for 11PM GMT on Friday 29th of March 2019.

Theresa May makes the announcement today, writing:

“It will be there in black and white on the front page of this historic piece of legislation: the United Kingdom will be leaving the EU on March 29, 2019 at 11pm GMT.”

The PM took the opportunity to slap down any Brexit-wreckers in the Commons, including on her own backbenches, warning:

“But I am just as clear of this: we will not tolerate attempts from any quarter to use the process of amendments to this Bill as a mechanism to try to block the democratic wishes of the British people by attempting to slow down or stop our departure from the European Union. The British people have been clear. Parliament itself voted for Article 50 – and for this Bill at its Second Reading. We are leaving the European Union on March 29, 2019.”

Would that date be because the 2 extra years membership that we have already asked for (and the EU hasn't agreed to yet), isn't membership, it's 'implementation'

Maybe that's why the divorce bill is so hard to negotiate, if we now want to stay in the same house, eating the same food and getting the occasional shag for 2 years after the divorce. But we won't try and change the rules again will we, it will definitely only be another 2 years this time.

 

[beorhthelm]

The government has tabled a cross-party backed amendment to the EU Withdrawal Bill revealing the precise moment Britain will finally break free from the shackles of the European Union.

Brexit is set for 11PM GMT on Friday 29th of March 2019.

Theresa May makes the announcement today, writing:

“It will be there in black and white on the front page of this historic piece of legislation: the United Kingdom will be leaving the EU on March 29, 2019 at 11pm GMT.”

The PM took the opportunity to slap down any Brexit-wreckers in the Commons, including on her own backbenches, warning:

“But I am just as clear of this: we will not tolerate attempts from any quarter to use the process of amendments to this Bill as a mechanism to try to block the democratic wishes of the British people by attempting to slow down or stop our departure from the European Union. The British people have been clear. Parliament itself voted for Article 50 – and for this Bill at its Second Reading. We are leaving the European Union on March 29, 2019.”

say what you want about her, at least shes sticking to a firm line on this issue. well for now... thing is that amendments often come with votes, so if a handful of backbenchers can be secured for a an amendment, it'll go in. and its open to exceptions within the bill, so before anyone suggest this rules out a transition period, it doesn't.

 

[Baldseagull]

The government has tabled a cross-party backed amendment to the EU Withdrawal Bill revealing the precise moment Britain will finally break free from the shackles of the European Union.

Brexit is set for 11PM GMT on Friday 29th of March 2019.

Theresa May makes the announcement today, writing:

“It will be there in black and white on the front page of this historic piece of legislation: the United Kingdom will be leaving the EU on March 29, 2019 at 11pm GMT.”

The PM took the opportunity to slap down any Brexit-wreckers in the Commons, including on her own backbenches, warning:

“But I am just as clear of this: we will not tolerate attempts from any quarter to use the process of amendments to this Bill as a mechanism to try to block the democratic wishes of the British people by attempting to slow down or stop our departure from the European Union. The British people have been clear. Parliament itself voted for Article 50 – and for this Bill at its Second Reading. We are leaving the European Union on March 29, 2019.”

Just another attempt to get the EU to believe we will leave without a deal if we can't get one done by then, we won't.

 

[WATFORD zero]

say what you want about her, at least shes sticking to a firm line on this issue.

She's asked for a further 2 years membership

And why has the title of the thread changed to some imaginary date ?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

She's asked for a further 2 years membership

Quite. This is quite different to her much publicised Florence speech. But to be fair this speech did fall on deaf ears. No one really listens or believes her or he cabinet.