Huddersfield signing EVERYONE...

[LamieRobertson]

It wasn't, as it failed to make mention of the excellent PL squad building by Burnley with PL money in 2014 and 2015,

Boro had to do it all in summer 2016. Badly as we now know, failing to bring in pace and flair, something Steve Gibson admitted with regret.

In contrast, Bournemouth and Southampton splashed the PL cash on many new faces in their promotion summers, and now they're top half clubs.

Well i highlighted the bit i was referring to and it wasn't Burnley ....but tbh i don't think signing Messi would satisfy you ....we do seem to have this round of moaning about the club signings or lack of for the last few seasons ...they don't seem to have done that badly....certainly since Burke left

Don't forget the Lions tomorrow morning!

 

[LamieRobertson]

It was Boro's first stint in the PL for a while. Burnley were on the back of being relegated.

Also, those figures don't seem to stack up. To me it looks like Burnley brought in 8+2 loans in Summer of 2014/15 and 7+2 loans last Summer +more in January on both occasions. Couple of those may have been youth players mind.

Yes...and it was Bro that i highlighted in bold....its our first stint in the top tier for while too

 

[LamieRobertson]

Not overpay. Pay the going rate, like other clubs have/will.

Take Abraham for example. If it is true that he wanted £1m to sign, and that was the stumbling block, we have lost a player that we wanted for the sake of 1/100 of our TV income from next season.

I'm uncomfortable with the amount of money floating around in football nowadays, but it is a fact of life. 99% of clubs make a loss, and you cannot run a club as a business any more.

Other people on this thread have quoted Burnley as a role model for not investing in better players. But they had a lot of their PL players from the previous season when they went up. Also, they will really struggle if their home form next year doesn't match this season. I think they could go down next season if they don't improve their squad.

But hey, let's bank that money for when we come straight back down. Great plan.

Yes bloom would know that he's been bankrolling it for a while now ....going rate seems a moveable goalpost (each week) currently..still i'm sure you and i want whats best for the Albion

 

[Murray 17]

I think every sane person would rather spend wisely and carefully and go down in a sustainable manner ready to go up again then spend big and risk everything.

Are you saying I'm insane?

 

[Ecosse Exile]

Not overpay. Pay the going rate, like other clubs have/will.

Take Abraham for example. If it is true that he wanted £1m to sign, and that was the stumbling block, we have lost a player that we wanted for the sake of 1/100 of our TV income from next season.

I'm uncomfortable with the amount of money floating around in football nowadays, but it is a fact of life. 99% of clubs make a loss, and you cannot run a club as a business any more.

Other people on this thread have quoted Burnley as a role model for not investing in better players. But they had a lot of their PL players from the previous season when they went up. Also, they will really struggle if their home form next year doesn't match this season. I think they could go down next season if they don't improve their squad.

But hey, let's bank that money for when we come straight back down. Great plan.

I pointed out at the time, that as Chelsea were not looking for a loan fee, which would be normal to do so, that we shouldn't worry about Abraham's demands.

However, i was wrong..... Very wrong, having had time to think about it, it was public knowledge what Abraham's demands were, so lets assume we signed him and paid his signing on fee....

We then have our next target, lets say Suttner, his agent says " my player is far more experienced than Tammy Abraham, so we want a million pounds to sign too".

Then we try to sign Delaney from Bremen, hes gonna blitz our club record as it is if he signs, but his agent say's "hey, you've just trebled your record transfer for my guy, but you paid Tammy Abraham a million to sign, you obviously agree our guy is a much better player, so we want 2 million or no deal".

You see where this is going..... Before you know it, we cant sign anyone without paying a kings ransom, because we're now known as the club that pays millions to get players to sign.

It'll be interesting to see how Swansea get on with future deals, some players will get millions to sign contracts with football clubs, but not young kids, with one seasons experience at a lower level, i have a feeling Swansea have opened a can of worms that they may regret.

 

[boik]

I would genuinely rather come down than p!$$ money away on mercenaries. I wasn't desperate to get into the Premier league, with everything that it represnts - it was just a by product of wanting the Albion to win as many matches as possible. If we come back down again without wasting all the money then I won't be chucking my toys out of the pram.

 

[Murray 17]

I pointed out at the time, that as Chelsea were not looking for a loan fee, which would be normal to do so, that we shouldn't worry about Abraham's demands.

However, i was wrong..... Very wrong, having had time to think about it, it was public knowledge what Abraham's demands were, so lets assume we signed him and paid his signing on fee....

We then have our next target, lets say Suttner, his agent says " my player is far more experienced than Tammy Abraham, so we want a million pounds to sign too".

Then we try to sign Delaney from Bremen, hes gonna blitz our club record as it is if he signs, but his agent say's "hey, you've just trebled your record transfer for my guy, but you paid Tammy Abraham a million to sign, you obviously agree our guy is a much better player, so we want 2 million or no deal".

You see where this is going..... Before you know it, we cant sign anyone without paying a kings ransom, because we're now known as the club that pays millions to get players to sign.

It'll be interesting to see how Swansea get on with future deals, some players will get millions to sign contracts with football clubs, but not young kids, with one seasons experience at a lower level, i have a feeling Swansea have opened a can of worms that they may regret.

I'm sure all players get signing-on fees, so all clubs face the same costs. Stephens must have done. If you want a player you need to bite the bullet.

I know what people are saying about paying money, of course I do. But we have been at the Amex for 6 years and we've finally made it to the Promised Land.

To say now that we'll get a couple of players in, rely on team spirit and togetherness, and take our chances is like throwing it all away. If we don't get 3/4 new signings in before August, even the most optimistic person on here must surely admit that we'll finish in the bottom 4.

Look at the teams that have been relegated from the PL in recent times. I'm sure their plan was to bounce straight back up, but it hasn't happened. Our best chance of staying up is to spend most of the money, get the players we want, and GO FOR IT!

 

[Weststander]

Well i highlighted the bit i was referring to and it wasn't Burnley ....but tbh i don't think signing Messi would satisfy you ....we do seem to have this round of moaning about the club signings or lack of for the last few seasons ...they don't seem to have done that badly....certainly since Burke left

Don't forget the Lions tomorrow morning!

I'm not gloomy about the Albion's chances. Just challenging the spurious correlation of Burnley buying a couple of players and staying up, and Boro buying a load of players and going down, which had no bearing on my view of the Albion.

Regarding the Albion, like many posters on various threads, I believe we need still several players of quality, especially top flight quality goal scorers. The media and pundits in assessing the PL 2016/17 season were seemingly unanimous that that deficiency was a major factor in the downfall of the relegated clubs. Also, I think it might be an advantage to get players in earlier, but we won't know that really until next May.

I've haven't criticised the players we've bought in recent seasons, so the Messi comment is vacuous. I agree with something you or someone said elsewhere, that post Burke, our additions have in the main been good to great. I commented last season that even owlstalk posters were going on about it with envy. It's just that this time due to the huge jump up. the numbers being brought in might have to be say 7 this window (including Pascal and Ryan), and I hope that we see some new recruits soon to give Hughton time to work with them with vital points up for grabs in August.

I am intrigued as to why Koeman and Wagner are going hell for leather with masses of recruits at great expense, so early on. Do they know something others don't on preparation? If they both get off to flyers and do better than the bookies predict for their clubs, come next May, that would be revealing.

 

[Weststander]

I'm sure all players get signing-on fees, so all clubs face the same costs. Stephens must have done. If you want a player you need to bite the bullet.

I know what people are saying about paying money, of course I do. But we have been at the Amex for 6 years and we've finally made it to the Promised Land.

To say now that we'll get a couple of players in, rely on team spirit and togetherness, and take our chances is like throwing it all away. If we don't get 3/4 new signings in before August, even the most optimistic person on here must surely admit that we'll finish in the bottom 4.

Look at the teams that have been relegated from the PL in recent times. I'm sure their plan was to bounce straight back up, but it hasn't happened. Our best chance of staying up is to spend most of the money, get the players we want, and GO FOR IT!

but if we get the other quality signings in steadily between now and 1st September, that will do fine I would hope.

 

[Murray 17]

For wanting to risk the future of the club by throwing money at players? Yes, yes I do think you are insane for thinking that.

But we've got £100m coming our way.

Spend £8-10m each on 3 players, pay them 40k/week each, on 3 year contracts comes to £48m over 3 years. Not even half of the first year's money.

 

[AZ Gull]

If we don't get 3/4 new signings in before August, even the most optimistic person on here must surely admit that we'll finish in the bottom 4.

Personally, I'd be quite happy to accept 4th from bottom next season if you offered it to me now.

 

[Weststander]

But we've got £100m coming our way.

Spend £8-10m each on 3 players, pay them 40k/week each, on 3 year contracts comes to £48m over 3 years. Not even half of the first year's money.

The money available is even better than that. The transfer fees spent are spread over the life of the contracts, so aren't a compete hit against a single PL £100m, and even in cash flow terms, fees are often settled in tranches over more than one season.

So we have a bigger player budget per season.

 

[Murray 17]

Personally, I'd be quite happy to accept 4th from bottom next season if you offered it to me now.

As the situation stands, me too!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

After reading the last few pages, all I can say is thank goodness the owner is running the club, and not a supporter collective. Hopefully he hasn't changed a habit of a lifetime and logged on to NSC to find out from us experts how much to spend, who to buy, how to negociate etc. Having got us into the PL, why not assume that he wants us to stay here, and has some plans, and that? FFS.

Keep some faith.... UTA

 

[Murray 17]

The money available is even better than that. The transfer fees spent are spread over the life of the contracts, so aren't a compete hit against a single PL £100m, and even in cash flow terms, fees are often settled in tranches over more than one season.

So we have a bigger player budget per season.

Yes, good point.

 

[Ecosse Exile]

I'm sure all players get signing-on fees, so all clubs face the same costs. Stephens must have done. If you want a player you need to bite the bullet.

I know what people are saying about paying money, of course I do. But we have been at the Amex for 6 years and we've finally made it to the Promised Land.

To say now that we'll get a couple of players in, rely on team spirit and togetherness, and take our chances is like throwing it all away. If we don't get 3/4 new signings in before August, even the most optimistic person on here must surely admit that we'll finish in the bottom 4.

Look at the teams that have been relegated from the PL in recent times. I'm sure their plan was to bounce straight back up, but it hasn't happened. Our best chance of staying up is to spend most of the money, get the players we want, and GO FOR IT!

Yes all players do get signing on fees, Stephens definitely would have, whether it was a million or more is another matter, he is a proven footballer and one of the key players in our team, whatever we payed him we deemed it to be worth it.

Tammy Abraham may turn out to be the next Ronaldo or Messi, but at this moment in time, he is a kid, with one season under his belt for Bristol City. Chelsea dont think he's ready to bang them in regularly in the premier league or they'd be keeping him.

We are not the only club to turn him down either, Newcastle also did, a club who are far more accustomed to paying the going rate than we are.

We will pay what we feel players are worth, not more, and rightly so, last time we were in the top flight we had players on 10 year contracts earning more than they were worth, that led us down a very slippery slope from which we nearl went bankrupt, before Archer and co got their hands on the club.

If we are sensible and that costs us our place at the top table but the club is sound financially in the long term.... Thats fine by me. Much rather that than pay stupid money for players that may or may not be good enough.

 

[AZ Gull]

But we've got £100m coming our way.

Spend £8-10m each on 3 players, pay them 40k/week each, on 3 year contracts comes to £48m over 3 years. Not even half of the first year's money.

A large chunk of that £100m is already accounted for, unfortunately. In 2015-16 we lost £26m; since then, a number of players signed new, improved contracts and we also bought Shane Duffy and Glenn Murray last season. Goodness only knows what our loss was for 2016-17.

If you think we will spend £100m this season on combined transfer fees/wages then you are deluded.

 

[Weststander]

A large chunk of that £100m is already accounted for, unfortunately. In 2015-16 we lost £26m; since then, a number of players signed new, improved contracts and we also bought Shane Duffy and Glenn Murray last season. Goodness only knows what our loss was for 2016-17.

If you think we will spend £100m this season on combined transfer fees/wages then you are deluded.

The fees are spread over the life of contracts in the accounts and tranches of fees are often paid later to selling clubs.

 

[AZ Gull]

The fees are spread over the life of contracts in the accounts

I am well aware how transfer fees are accounted for.

 

[Murray 17]

Yes all players do get signing on fees, Stephens definitely would have, whether it was a million or more is another matter, he is a proven footballer and one of the key players in our team, whatever we payed him we deemed it to be worth it.

Tammy Abraham may turn out to be the next Ronaldo or Messi, but at this moment in time, he is a kid, with one season under his belt for Bristol City. Chelsea dont think he's ready to bang them in regularly in the premier league or they'd be keeping him.

We are not the only club to turn him down either, Newcastle also did, a club who are far more accustomed to paying the going rate than we are.

We will pay what we feel players are worth, not more, and rightly so, last time we were in the top flight we had players on 10 year contracts earning more than they were worth, that led us down a very slippery slope from which we nearl went bankrupt, before Archer and co got their hands on the club.

If we are sensible and that costs us our place at the top table but the club is sound financially in the long term.... Thats fine by me. Much rather that than pay stupid money for players that may or may not be good enough.

Well, funnily enough, I have said on previous threads that I didn't want us to go for Abraham. I was just using it as an example of how we won't (I believe) go that extra yard to get a target.