General Election 2017

[BigGully]

Friday is the Muslim holy day, is it not? I think I've answered your question there - I would.

When the time limit on the power sharing talks for Stormont was ticking earlier this year with a Monday deadline, Sinn Fein pulled the plug and put out a statement as such on the Saturday night as they knew there was no chance of getting anywhere further due to The DUP's Sunday rule. It would be quite quaint in a way, if it wasn't 2017.

No no, why wouldnt you state to any Muslim candidate firstly a reference to homophobia, sexism etc, you are sneeringly commenting on the DUP in a religious context something your unlikely to do to other faiths.

Personally I would sneer at all religions, its just your inconsistency that I find hypocritical.

 

[ManOfSussex]

That what matters certainly to those that voted Tory and voted for Brexit and I know this is nearly impossible for you to understand but those that did won both times, its kinda how it works.

I understand entirely, thanks. I know we're leaving The EU and I know we're in a complete mess right now - all of The Tories making.

As I say though, The Conservative and Unionist Party, Democratic Unionist Party and The Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party have differing positions on how though. Therein lies the problem for Tory and Brexit voters that, perhaps wasn't on the horizon a week ago.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

And surely, as that is the will of the majority, it's right.

There was a referendum - choice made to Leave the EU.
There was a General Election. Result Tories 318 MPs, Labour 262 MPs. Labout LOST.

The delusion Corbyn/McDonald is incredible. They are asking for the Tories to stand aside and let them form a government. The maths don't add up. In effect, there are 642 MPs (excluding Sinn Fein and the speaker), so to get a majority one side needs 322 votes. The DUP would never support Labour (Corbyn/McDonald), so there will always be 328 against Labour. Then again, maths obviously isn't McDonalds strong point.

No, what matters is that we are clearly not ready to negotiate now.
May called the election to get a stronger mandate which means she knew she was in a weak position before the election and admitted so.
She lost the gamble, she is now weaker.
And it's for the country not just the people that voted Brexit and Conservative, the best possible deal for everyone.
It's suicide to start it now, the whole thing has blown up in our faces, a proper embarrassing, laughable mess.
Which is why I voted remain in the first place, not because I totally wanted to stay in but because if our hapless government under Cameron and May.

 

[ManOfSussex]

No no, why wouldnt you state to any Muslim candidate firstly a reference to homophobia, sexism etc, you are sneeringly commenting on the DUP in a religious context something your unlikely to do to other faiths.

Personally I would sneer at all religions, its just your inconsistency that I find hypocritical.

I have the same views on The DUP as I would have to any Muslim MP who has the same views as them on gay marriage, working on the holy day, sexism or anything else. It's 2017. I'm not being hypocritical or inconsistent, thanks.

 

[BigGully]

I understand entirely, thanks. I know we're leaving The EU and I know we're in a complete mess right now - all of The Tories making.

As I say though, The Conservative and Unionist Party, Democratic Unionist Party and The Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party have differing positions on how though. Therein lies the problem for Tory and Brexit voters that, perhaps wasn't on the horizon a week ago.

Its democracy, thankfully it isnt always straight forward, can you actually imagine this:

My wife and I went for a few drinks with 6 other couples on Friday, we drank we laughed and told different stories a good normal night out, it wasnt until we got home that I realised the elction wasnt mentioned once, not one single word, can you imagine that, probably not.

You might want to get your knickers in a twist, but ultimately the Tories won and Labour were a million miles away from coming close to a genuine challenge, of course Corbyn did better than expected and Tories less well, but politics will continue and the majority party will lead and Brexit will happen and the world will keep spinning.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Its democracy, thankfully it isnt always straight forward, can you actually imagine this:

My wife and I went for a few drinks with 6 other couples on Friday, we drank we laughed and told different stories a good normal night out, it wasnt until we got home that I realised the elction wasnt mentioned once, not one single word, can you imagine that, probably not.

You might want to get your knickers in a twist, but ultimately the Tories won and Labour were a million miles away from coming close to a genuine challenge, of course Corbyn did better than expected and Tories less well, but politics will continue and the majority party will lead and Brexit will happen and the world will keep spinning.

I know the Tories won. I'm pleased you don't think we're a political basket case of a country right now, but each to their own. Can you find something positive to say about this Tory victory other than telling me Labour lost?

If you and wife can chat amongst friends and not mention the election once, why bother mentioning it to me now?

 

[larus]

The single market/free movement/customs union arrangement is a Tory quandary now I'm afraid - As I've stated, The Conservative and Unionist Party, Democratic Unionist Party and The Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party have differing positions.

It was a quandary before and will stay as such for the whole process. MPs on all sides have very different views as to what they want from BREXIT. However, I would suggest that most people who voted for BREXIT were thinking that immigration would be controlled by this country and not dictated to be the policy of the EU.

I can see why TM tried to get a larger majority, but it's spectacularly back-fired. This actually makes the whole political outlook horrendous in the short to medium term.

I'm sure things within the Tory party will become clearer as the dust settles over the next 1-2 weeks. I really hope she goes and a new leader is chosen who can engage with the wider public. I know Boris is ridiculed by many on the left (as is JC by the right), but there is no denying that he was a popular mayor of London and, to a lot of non political people, he will be popular. He's different, not always on message and I think will engage with a lot of people. (Waits for the usual suspects to try to ridicule).

 

[peterward]

The delusion Corbyn/McDonald is incredible. They are asking for the Tories to stand aside and let them form a government. The maths don't add up. In effect, there are 642 MPs (excluding Sinn Fein and the speaker), so to get a majority one side needs 322 votes. The DUP would never support Labour (Corbyn/McDonald), so there will always be 328 against Labour. Then again, maths obviously isn't McDonalds strong point.

Its not delusional its cynical, McDonnell and Corbyn are old school Trotskys masquerading as modernists, wolves in sheeps clothing with a very powerful machine behind them who want a power grab at any cost.They know they cant actually run and survive with their numbers. Corbyn has come out and said "being PM is still on" and that he will "attempt to vote down the queens speech"...... Next you will have noticed the Labour HQ rent a mob of anarchists and hippies with their choreographed printed Anti Tory anti democratic pro Corbyn resist and strike until we get Corbyn banners (straight from Labour/momentum HQ), as always, these anti democratic terrorists are being organised by Labour HQ, and theyre always there straight after a result they dont like (welcome to Corbyns world) whilst Corbyn and McDonnell pretend to be statesmen. Their intention, with their organised rent a mob and with their queens speech amendments will simply be to try anything to stop the government going ahead, then they know if that opportunity can present, they can try and instill the man who came a distant second, knowing he will also get voted down and then they will have their ultimate goal....... another general election. Corbyn knows he cannot presently be PM with the numbers, he only wants to either force a resignation of May with his rent a mob or by trying to bring down the queens speech, so that he ultimately can get another GE.

F**k brexit clock ticking, national interest or finishing a distant second, the power grab campaign is on....... but he is doomed to fail at least in the short term, the queens speech will pass

 

[BigGully]

I know the Tories won. I'm pleased you don't think we're a political basket case of a country right now, but each to their own. Can you find something positive to say about this Tory victory other than telling me Labour lost?

If you and wife can chat amongst friends and not mention the election once, why bother mentioning it to me now?

You guys cannot seem to grasp that for most we are not a political basket case of a country, thats why I mentioned the non mention of the election between a group of friends with different careers and each with differing personal circumstances, its you from the left and similar from the self assured Tories that think everyone else must have the same political view as theirs and if not then it is an abomination and we are all going to hell in a handcart.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Its not delusional its cynical, McDonnell and Corbyn are old school Trotskys masquerading as modernists, wolves in sheeps clothing with a very powerful machine behind them who want a power grab at any cost.They know they cant actually run and survive with their numbers. Corbyn has come out and said "being PM is still on" and that he will "attempt to vote down the queens speech"...... Next you will have noticed the Labour HQ rent a mob of anarchists and hippies with their choreographed printed Anti Tory anti democratic pro Corbyn resist and strike until we get Corbyn banners (straight from Labour/momentum HQ), as always, these anti democratic terrorists are being organised by Labour HQ, and theyre always there straight after a result they dont like (welcome to Corbyns world) whilst Corbyn and McDonnell pretend to be statesmen. Their intention, with their organised rent a mob and with their queens speech amendments will simply be to try anything to stop the government going ahead, then they know if that opportunity can present, they can try and instill the man who came a distant second, knowing he will also get voted down and then they will have their ultimate goal....... another general election. Corbyn knows he cannot presently be PM with the numbers, he only wants to either force a resignation of May with his rent a mob or by trying to bring down the queens speech, so that he ultimately can get another GE.

F**k brexit clock ticking, national interest or finishing a distant second, the power grab campaign is on....... but he is doomed to fail at least in the short term, the queens speech will pass

Take how he has hoodwinked his way into lives of our young, he is dangerous. Offer everything to those that pay nothing.

All this though is not his popularity but the fact May was so poor

 

[ManOfSussex]

You guys cannot seem to grasp that for most we are not a political basket case of a country, thats why I mentioned the non mention of the election between a group of friends with different careers and each with differing personal circumstances, its you and similar minded Tories that think everyone else must have the same political view as theirs and if not then it is an abomination and we are all going to hell in a handcart.

I'm not a Tory and I do know that not everyone has the same political views as me. You're just making assumptions.

 

[mikeyjh]

It was a quandary before and will stay as such for the whole process. MPs on all sides have very different views as to what they want from BREXIT. However, I would suggest that most people who voted for BREXIT were thinking that immigration would be controlled by this country and not dictated to be the policy of the EU.

I can see why TM tried to get a larger majority, but it's spectacularly back-fired. This actually makes the whole political outlook horrendous in the short to medium term.

I'm sure things within the Tory party will become clearer as the dust settles over the next 1-2 weeks. I really hope she goes and a new leader is chosen who can engage with the wider public. I know Boris is ridiculed by many on the left (as is JC by the right), but there is no denying that he was a popular mayor of London and, to a lot of non political people, he will be popular. He's different, not always on message and I think will engage with a lot of people. (Waits for the usual suspects to try to ridicule).

Not going to ridicule, but I think you're wholly wrong regarding Johnson. He's certainly has a popular following but a large number of people see him for what he is, a self styled and self interested baffoon. Check out the polling for next Tory leader.....

 

[BigGully]

I'm not a Tory and I do know that not everyone has the same political views as me. You're just making assumptions.

Well start acceptaing democracy a little more gracefully .......

 

[BigGully]

I'm not a Tory and I do know that not everyone has the same political views as me. You're just making assumptions.

I meant you as a Labour supporter and those Tories that similarly berate those that dont get their politics, (discuss and debate is good) although on balance it seems that the left are particularly spiteful and vindictive, maybe with their little bit of success they might reel their necks in.

 

[Triggaaar]

As for BREXIT, one of the main themes (probably the main one) was immigration. I do not see how any party could implement a BREXIT deal without taking control of immigration. This was quite clear during the referendum.

It wasn't clear.

So, if I assume that most Remainers would agree with that point, I don't see how we can reach a deal with the EU to stay in the single market without free movement.

I'm a leaver and I don't agree with that point. People had different reasons for voting leave.

Given that 48% voted to remain, the majority of people would prefer soft Brexit to hard.

 

[Don Quixote]

Fed up with all these MPs coming up and saying May shouldn't go, when everyone knows they're choosing her successor behind the scenes. This is one of the reasons people despise politicians. The truth is she must go and go soon and someone competent must come in.

 

[Bozza]

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell has told ITV's Robert Peston that any form of relationship between the Conservative Party and the DUP - to bolster a minority Conservative government - was "bound to be inherently unstable".

"I cannot see the relationship with the DUP holding together," he said.

Asked if the Labour Party was interested in forming its own coalition, he insisted: "No deals, no coalitions."

This is our manifesto, this is what we want to implement. The electorate don't want backroom deals. They want to vote for a party and they want [to see] that party in government."

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Hopefully the above, particularly the bold bit, indicates the end of Labour's "We can still govern [from our position of fewest seats and election losers]".

 

[cirC]

Back in the late 70s Corbyn was running around his council empire in London encouraging the unions to strike.Bins were not emptied for weeks,the dead were not buried and were placed in any freezers of a size suitable.Some of us remember that and as such his kind for better or worse left us with Thatcher.
Just what is the countries debt at the moment,1.7 trillion pounds or so,going up still though less quickly than in the Blair/Brown years.The thought of something for nothing is a vote winner,well other than the fact that it didn't win but should he win in the future then the economic problems that Greece has will pall into insignificance
Yup bring on a Corbyn government.Remember someone will have to pay and those youngsters who think that Corbyn is a god may well look at him in years to come as a devil incarnate.

 

[Triggaaar]

I understand entirely, thanks. I know we're leaving The EU and I know we're in a complete mess right now - all of The Tories making.

While the Tories have messed up the election, the position we're now in is due to our democracy, not because of the Tories. China wouldn't be in the mess we're in, maybe you'd prefer to not have a vote? Or, more likely, you'd like the vote but you just want everyone to vote the same as you?

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell has told ITV's Robert Peston that any form of relationship between the Conservative Party and the DUP - to bolster a minority Conservative government - was "bound to be inherently unstable".

"I cannot see the relationship with the DUP holding together," he said.

Asked if the Labour Party was interested in forming its own coalition, he insisted: "No deals, no coalitions."

This is our manifesto, this is what we want to implement. The electorate don't want backroom deals. They want to vote for a party and they want [to see] that party in government."

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Hopefully the above, particularly the bold bit, indicates the end of Labour's "We can still govern [from our position of fewest seats and election losers]".

Issue is though the hard left will mobilise the youth and the unite cronies and alike and will hit the streets again bemoaning the fact they LOST.

Meanwhile those that actually raise the wealth of the country will carry on quietly going about their business, employing people, paying taxes and making a success of our economy.