General Election 2017

[Soulman]

Do you think they are aware that the Tories have been in charge for the last 7 years?

What in charge in Darlington?

 

[Soulman]

Corrected for you.

Nice, changing posts/opinions.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

WD, this from Darlington....Oop North.
‘We are dying because of Labour’ Voters in left-wing stronghold ‘fed up’ with Corbyn
https://newsexplored.co.uk/we-are-d...s-in-left-wing-stronghold-fed-up-with-corbyn/

The article quoted three people who said just what they wanted to justify the headline in the article.

 

[CHAPPERS]

What in charge in Darlington?

No, in charge of the WHOLE COUNTRY. That article is nonsense.

 

[seagulls4ever]

So what was the reason for opposing the 2006 Terrorism Act then? I haven't heard Corbyn's explanation for it but Diane Abbott claims (and I'll take a stab that he is in broad agreement) that it was because of a worry that the word "glorifying" in connection with terrorism was vague. And what was his reasons for voting against the 2000 Terrorism Act? Once again, we have Diane Abbott's - that the list of proscribed organisations was too broad and included legitimate democratic groups. Tellingly though, Andrew Marr asked her which groups on the list she objected to but she wouldn't say. Both of these were seriously needed pieces of legislation. Anjem Choudhry is locked up and can't incite or recruit because of the 2000 Act.

Given that he voted against so many, you can't take a specific reason for one and apply it across God knows how many anti-terror bills that he's opposed. You have to conclude - because he's said it himself no less - that he opposes anti-terror legislation on principle. Now I know that won't be evidence enough for some people but when someone boasts about having opposed anti-terror legislation generally, I kind of take it that they oppose anti-terror legislation generally rather than hand-wringing about how much court oversight there will be of new legislation.

Genuine request - maybe you can have a look through the names of terrorist organisations on the 2000 list and tell me which ones shouldn't be there. I did have a look after the Abbott/Marr interview and as far as I could tell all the original groups were genuinely terrorists. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/11/contents

This blind spot that people have with him is astonishing. Honestly, if Alan Johnson was now leading the Labour Party and Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott were still backbenchers then most people wouldn't give him the time of day. You'd all be dismissing him as an extremist loon.

Point of interest, many opposed the 2006 Terrorism Act. Corbyn mentioned this last night, and pointed out that Theresa May, David Davis and other cabinet members (and other MPs in general) opposed it too because they felt it was giving too much executive power. He said his opposition wasn't opposition to protecting us from terrorism, it's saying there must be judicial oversight over what is done in our name and there must be accountability. He has said experience of campaigning for the Guildford four/Birmingham siz partly shaped his views.

The 2000 Terrorism Act wasn't wholly popular either.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4905304.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4422086.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1178705.stm

Obviously a very biased article and doesn't mean he was right about terrorism laws, but he has been right about many things in the past:

https://theworldturnedupsidedownne....remy-corbyn-was-on-the-right-side-of-history/

 

[Soulman]

No, in charge of the WHOLE COUNTRY. That article is nonsense.

I can put up a few other sources/links if you find that one nonsense.

 

[Soulman]

The article quoted three people who said just what they wanted to justify the headline in the article.

Fair enough, will see on election day.

 

[pastafarian]

You can't be this thick!? Nobody voting leave knew what they were voting for. As for your predictions coming true, are you on glue? Negotiations haven't even started yet, you dolt.

You've totally misunderstood the basic point but it's fun watching you backtrack. I shan't explain it to you again as judging by the above fumbling post, you've realised your mistake. Have a lovely day, it's gonna be a scorcher.

Quite astonishing.
Try and read again what I wrote you wally. Its basic English. My areas of support are not predictions. They are what I voted for, not predictions.
I am not surprised though you avoided answering a very easy question. You will avoid it again when you reply to this post. You are very predictable.
Do you understand the meaning of the word backtrack? Clearly not.

 

[CHAPPERS]

I can put up a few other sources/links if you find that one nonsense.

You can if you want but I wouldn't waste your time, to be honest!

 

[beorhthelm]

... The deficit has grown and grown despite promise after promise of this approach bringing it down. Our key services continue to be cut along with tax breaks for the wealthiest companies and persons in the country. People are seeing through the 'strong stable' mantra, and aren't just looking at Corbyn, they are looking at other politicians and economic experts and thinking, believing that we can afford to tax our biggest businesses and wealthiest a bit more (all voters, former Tory voters saying it themselves on this thread), that we can afford to contribute more into our services, our education and NHS, and that there is a different approach to the one that hasn't worked for 7 years.

firstly, deficit has fallen all along (debt is growing). secondly Corbyn is taking from businesses to fund tuition fees, raising some billions from >80k , tax avoidance and financial transactions (which we'll pay through pensions) to fund a handful of key pledges. when the revenue doesnt materialise, or they change the pledges (bringing forward free tuition a year), or offer another billion to a worthy service, the short fall will be in borrowed. so that deficit will certainly start to grow.

 

[pastafarian]

Emily Thornberry, The shadow foreign secretary has claimed that Britain’s food industry will be unable to export to Australia after Brexit because products “will go off”.
Do we still use wooden ships then.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/thornberry-we-cant-sell-food-to-australia-it-will-rot-zsn3g6nw2

Wow, that is all sorts of stupid.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Because 7 years of austerity and Tory policy hasn't worked. The economy hasn't grown as they've predicted. The deficit has grown and grown despite promise after promise of this approach bringing it down. Our key services continue to be cut along with tax breaks for the wealthiest companies and persons in the country. People are seeing through the 'strong stable' mantra, and aren't just looking at Corbyn, they are looking at other politicians and economic experts and thinking, believing that we can afford to tax our biggest businesses and wealthiest a bit more (all voters, former Tory voters saying it themselves on this thread), that we can afford to contribute more into our services, our education and NHS, and that there is a different approach to the one that hasn't worked for 7 years.

It was Project Fear for Brexit, it is now Project Fear v2.0 such as your own post for this General Election. This attitude that the alternative is oblivion just isn't washing with voters.

The Tories will likely win, but may well have a smaller majority than before, and May will be severely weakened given she called this to extend her majority. It is a powerful democratic message that the Tories need to listen, need to compromise and demonstrate the ability to show flexibility toward more centrist policies and more progressive tax strategies.

Excellent post this /\/\/\

I'm resigned to a Conservative victory, as I think the self-harmers who voted Leave will back them regardless, to protect their Little Britain fantasy. However, a good kicking in the polls is exactly what they need, to show them that the nation absolutely does NOT give them carte blanche to do exactly as they please.

 

[HH Brighton]

WD, this from Darlington....Oop North.
‘We are dying because of Labour’ Voters in left-wing stronghold ‘fed up’ with Corbyn
https://newsexplored.co.uk/we-are-d...s-in-left-wing-stronghold-fed-up-with-corbyn/

What a great article that is. Quote : "Darlington is dying, there it's nothing on the market, nothing in this city.

"It is because of Labour. We're dying because of Labour.

"Labour, get your finger out and do something good for Darlington."

 

[wellquickwoody]

Shows how dim northerners are if the majority of them vote conservative, they're the reason you have no work and live in a slum!

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Really, not expecting someone else to pay for everything?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

What a great article that is. Quote : "Darlington is dying, there it's nothing on the market, nothing in this city.

"It is because of Labour. We're dying because of Labour.

"Labour, get your finger out and do something good for Darlington."

Quite apart from anything else wrong there, when on earth did Darlo become a CITY!?

 

[Silk]

BBC election audience 'rigorously' selected - ComRes - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40118629

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[Soulman]

BBC election audience 'rigorously' selected - ComRes - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40118629

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Journalists from Labour-supporting publications admitting the BBC audience was laughably biased towards Labour tonight.
https://order-order.com/2017/05/31/bbc-mocked-left-wing-audience-ever/

 

[BigGully]

Excellent post this /\/\/\

I'm resigned to a Conservative victory, as I think the self-harmers who voted Leave will back them regardless, to protect their Little Britain fantasy. However, a good kicking in the polls is exactly what they need, to show them that the nation absolutely does NOT give them carte blanche to do exactly as they please.

Except its incorrect, the national debt has risen but the deficit has greatly decreased.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Journalists from Labour-supporting publications admitting the BBC audience was laughably biased towards Labour tonight.
https://order-order.com/2017/05/31/bbc-mocked-left-wing-audience-ever/

SNP - Left
Labour - Left
Green - Left
Plaid Cymru - Left
UKIP - fascists
Conservatives - Right
Lib Dem - Left

Maybe it would have helped if the Prime Minister had turned up? Maybe she'd have been cheered by the Conservatives in the room?

The Tories are also so defensive at the moment that actually Rudd had nothing positive, or cheer worthy if you will, to say?

Edit: that BBC article says that, I should be a journo.

 

[Triggaaar]

Isn't it time we had another poll?