General Election 2017

[seagulls4ever]

Unfortunately Corbyn wanting to get an accurate figure is the leading BBC story, both on their website and on their news channel. Seems to be blown up into more of an issue by the BBC than it actually is (other news outlets too, but you expect that from them). As others have mentioned, we don't vote for politicians on the basis that they have a photographic memory. This is a blow.

 

[Buzzer]

I'm sorry but if you people want to bandy around the myth that Corbyn supports the IRA it needs to be pointed out how utterly hypocritical this is when a SERVING Tory councillor was in the IRA. And you don't even need massive leaps of the imagination to attempt to pove it ala Corbyn. It seems you fear context and being pointed out how utterly hypocritical the right is

No need to be sorry. I'm quite used to your extraordinary abilities in whataboutery when it comes to Corbyn.

There's nothing hypocritical about saying that it's a bloody big stretch to compare a local councillor for whom very few of us would have a chance to vote for even obliquely to the man who wants to be a PM in a general election for whom we will all ultimately be having a say in. I would never vote for that Tory councillor incidentally and I would seriously question whether she should be a councillor given her history so there's no double standards from me on that.

And it's not a myth about Corbyn. I've shown you ample proof that he supported, praised and met the IRA.

 

[Triggaaar]

I said it take you out for dinner, restaurant of your choice, if you ever voted Labour again. This bet is from about 6 years ago!

Surely someone made that bet with me too?

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

If it's just a 'myth' why did Seasmus Mallon say Corbyn did support the IRA and was irrelevant to the peace process, why did Sean O' Callaghan say he did support them and was a hindrance to the peace process, why did he go to a meeting and commemorate 8 IRA terrorists killed by the SAS?

Isn't the only myth being peddled (by his devoted followers) the one where he was supposedly a pioneer of or significant to peace in NI?

'Man of principle' Corbyn shared platforms with terrorists, voted against every new bit of anti terrorist legislation since 1983, wanted out of Nato, wanted to cut our armed forces, wanted to unillaterally disarm, a bit wooly on drone strikes and shoot to kill re terrorists/suicide bombers.

First duty of government is to protect the country .. PM Corbyn

Corbyn's position on Ireland is that whilst he unequivocally condemns ‘all bombing’ carried out by the IRA, he insists on acknowledging the role of atrocities like Bloody Sunday and the "treatment of IRA prisoners" in precipitating radicalisation. As he has explained repeatedly,  he felt in the 80s and early 90s that discussion was a better route towards a peace process.

Those wishing to challenge this by depicting Corbyn as an IRA sympathiser have pointed to evidence that he stood for a minute’s silence to commemorate IRA terrorists who had been shot dead in an SAS ambush in 1987. They also point out that he invited individuals associated with the IRA into parliament only a matter of weeks after the Brighton bombings.

Controversial sounding. But let's be clear: the 1987 Loughgall ambush incurred civilian casualties and a civilian fatality, commemorated in the silence. The meetings in parliament were to discuss 'prison conditions and the rehabilitation of prisoners'. In other words, these actions were entirely consistent with Corbyn’s repeatedly expressed opposition to violence as a means of counteracting terrorism. Taking Corbyn’s actions out of these contexts, ignoring his repeated condemnation of the IRA’s violent tactics and insisting that he met with these individuals (in parliament) as an expression of support for their cause requires a series of staggering imaginative leaps.

 

[Triggaaar]

Add in manifesto winners like fox hunting, free school meal changes, school funding reductions, scrapping a total ban on the ivory trade, + her dodging TV debates, etc etc - I mean why? Does she want to remind the electorate about what a bunch of c**nts her party is?

She started her leadership by reminding her colleagues that some people still called them the nasty party, and said that she wanted to change that. I'm not sure she's even trying.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

No need to be sorry. I'm quite used to your extraordinary abilities in whataboutery when it comes to Corbyn.

There's nothing hypocritical about saying that it's a bloody big stretch to compare a local councillor for whom very few of us would have a chance to vote for even obliquely to the man who wants to be a PM in a general election for whom we will all ultimately be having a say in. I would never vote for that Tory councillor incidentally and I would seriously question whether she should be a councillor given her history so there's no double standards from me on that.

And it's not a myth about Corbyn. I've shown you ample proof that he supported, praised and met the IRA.

Your 'proof' is a series of imaginative leaps that take Corbyn's actions out of context. And you're right, it is a HUGE stretch comparing someone who was actually IN the IRA to someone who has been accused of being a 'terrorist sympathiser'. But it's immensely hypocritical of anyone to say they won't vote for Corbyn because of his 'links' to the IRA but will instead vote Tory, who actually have an MP who was in the organisation.

 

[Buzzer]

and it was Buzzer who wanted the crappy meme.

And boy, did you deliver on that.

 

[The Clamp]

The logical answer is that EU subsidies and grants aren't helping the man on the street. If you're unemployed and live in South Wales or the North East why would you give a sh*t that the EU granted the local council £X's to piss up the wall on a scheme that didn't help you, or toll roads that you can't afford to use (applicable on the continent)

This is just plain incorrect.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...uk-receives-most-eu-funding-and-how-does-thi/


Actually quite upsetting to see the that Cornwall thinks they will get the funding replaced by the money saved through leaving the EU. They won't.

And some leave voters get shirty when I suggest they may not have had the first clue about what they were voting for. As your post depressingly illustrates.

 

[TSB]

There is just something about TM that means she doesn't come over well in any sort of public speaking/campaigning. I agree with her on most things, I'm a committed Blue and always will be, but I am concerned with her ability to win people over and ultimately win an election. As far as I can see the strategy for the entire campaign has been poor from the start.

Says it all. A committed something, for sure.

Imagine being in your twenties and a 'committed' Tory. That's it really, isn't it? Life is over already.

 

[Bozza]

It is a key policy, which Labour are specifically campaigning on today. You might have expected him to have done his homework.

I don't doubt he's done his homework. I would imagine, though, that when conducting a zillion interviews a day with numerous policies with monetary sums attached to them, just sometimes a specific figure doesn't come to mind.

What's any politician to do when that happens? The choices are really only:

- Guess and hope you get it right.
- Say "I don't know"
- Locate the figure from your notes or similar materials.

Regardless of which option is chosen, the politician is likely to be ridiculed.

I don't want my kids to be wholly assessed in school by having to remember and recite, parrot fashion, facts and I don't think we should be judging politicians solely on memory either.

 

[Bozza]

If you take that view wouldnt it be better to just back the Tories to win the most seats ? For the hedge the risk seems to outweigh the potential reward.

Yeah, I thought that after I wrote it.

I'm just annoyed that Bill Hill wouldn't allow me to lock in a guaranteed £100 last night!

 

[Buzzer]

Your 'proof' is a series of imaginative leaps that take Corbyn's actions out of context. And your right, it is a HUGE stretch comparing someone who was actually IN the IRA to someone who has been accused of being a 'terrorist sympathiser'. But it's immensely hypocritical of anyone to say they won't vote for Corbyn because of his 'links' to the IRA but will instead vote Tory, who actually have an MP who was in the organisation.

Imaginative leaps! I've given you the opinion of the deputy of the SDLP, a very senior professor of Irish studies, directs quotes from Corbyn honouring dead soldiers, numerous newspaper articles, links to meetings he had with IRA terrorists. You're the one with the imagination to ignore all this.

Talking of imagination, which Tory MP was in the IRA? I'm aware of a Croydon local councillor who I've already said I would never vote for but this latest whataboutery is news to me.

 

[seagulls4ever]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-Vc_g1j8Sk

Any chance of the BBC making a massive story of the Chancellor getting the figure of HS2 wrong by 20bn, as they have done with Corbyn wanting to provide an accurate figure? Nope, as far as I can tell they didn't even repeat it outside of the program they interviewed him on. As I have mentioned before, I had previously largely ignored claims that the BBC had an anti-Corbyn/Labour bias as I believed it not to be the case. The coverage in recent weeks has made me change my mind on that front. Very disappointing from our national broadcaster.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Look at these effing toffs

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[Wrong-Direction]

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[The Clamp]

Jeremy Corbyn wasn't in the IRA nor was he a sympathiser, A bunch of right wing conspiracy loons have found a few out of context quotes and pieced together a ridiculous story that simply doesn't add up but is convenient for them to rubbish Corbyn with and avoid intelligent debate.

 

[Ernest]

Jeremy Corbyn wasn't in the IRA nor was he a sympathiser, A bunch of right wing conspiracy loons have found a few out of context quotes and pieced together a ridiculous story that simply doesn't add up but is convenient for them to rubbish Corbyn with and avoid intelligent debate.

And gullible dupes believe it

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Imaginative leaps! I've given you the opinion of the deputy of the SDLP, a very senior professor of Irish studies, directs quotes from Corbyn honouring dead soldiers, numerous newspaper articles, links to meetings he had with IRA terrorists. You're the one with the imagination to ignore all this.

Talking of imagination, which Tory MP was in the IRA? I'm aware of a Croydon local councillor who I've already said I would never vote for but this latest whataboutery is news to me.

You cling to the above as if opinions and newspapers make your views 100% conclusive. Opinions means next to nothing, no matter where it comes from. We are dealing, or attempting to deal in, facts. Newspapers exist to sell and will print a political line based on the ideologies of those who buy them, so again hardly conclusive proof. It wouldn't be hard to find newspaper articles that go against your position (something I have already done). Although if I remember correctly you discredited them as they went against your own personal view.

I've outlined my argument to you before having provided sources and quotes but you've turned your nose up at them. I lack the patience or the inclination to debate this with you again as you do insist on making points whilst ignoring the wider context, something I've noticed rather a lot in our recent back and forths. Please see our previous discussion for any rebuttles to any point you wish you make again.

 

[Buzzer]

You cling to the above as if opinions and newspapers make your views 100% conclusive. Opinions means next to nothing, no matter where it comes from. We are dealing, or attempting to deal in, facts. Newspapers exist to sell and will print a political line based on the ideologies of those who buy them, so again hardly conclusive proof. It wouldn't be hard to find newspaper articles that go against your position (something I have already done). Although if I remember correctly you discredited them as they went against your own personal view.

I've outlined my argument to you before having provided sources and quotes but you've turned your nose up at them. I lack the patience or the inclination to debate this with you again as you do insist on making points whilst ignoring the wider context, something I've noticed rather a lot in our recent back and forths. Please see our previous discussion for any rebuttles to any point you wish you make again.

The name of this Tory MP who was in the IRA, please. It's a very simple request.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Jeremy Corbyn wasn't in the IRA nor was he a sympathiser, A bunch of right wing conspiracy loons have found a few out of context quotes and pieced together a ridiculous story that simply doesn't add up but is convenient for them to rubbish Corbyn with and avoid intelligent debate.

And using terminology like that is avoiding intelligent debate !