General Election 2017

[studio150]

What is the definition of hopelessly wrong.

Suggesting Policemen were going to be paid £80 is in my view far more hopelessly wrong than saying I think a charge is £2000 when it's a £1000.

But others may differ

 

[Mackenzie]

They are all pricks.

 

[Bold Seagull]

What is the definition of hopelessly wrong.

Suggesting Policemen were going to be paid £80 is in my view far more hopelessly wrong than saying I think a charge is £2000 when it's a £1000.

But others may differ

The point isn't the mistake, its the reporting of the mistake. Do you think the coverage of Abbott's numerical errors were balanced and objective in comparison to Hammond and Gove? This isn't a party political point, this is a point about free press, and fair coverage.

 

[Ernest]

Damian Green a cabinet minister refused to say which pensioners would lose their fuel allowance this morning, what sort of answer is that ?

 

[larus]

In 2003 we had to sell my nans house to fund her stay in a decent care home. When she died my mum and dad were left with £ 20k.
My other Nan is currently in her second year in a care home in East Preston which was funded from the sale of her flat in Findon in 2015.

Different governments, same shit elderly care!


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The problem with western countries is the breakdown of the extended family/support. Look around at many Asian cultures and they would be abhorred at the thought of off-loading elderly relatives to others to care for.
What happens now I'd the children want to put them into a care home, get the state to pay (read that as other tax payers), and then get thr proceeds from the house sale.

Sorry, this is not a dig at you, but at what point should we be responsible for our own life/care? If we have no money, then the state should be the fall-back position. If we have money, then we should be able to provide for ourself.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Shock horror, media/press control people's minds.

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[studio150]

Damian Green a cabinet minister refused to say which pensioners would lose their fuel allowance this morning, what sort of answer is that ?

A standard non response that virtually all employ

 

[The Large One]

Shock horror, media/press control people's minds.

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The unaccountable, unelected press. The same people who grizzle about unaccountable, unelected judges etc.

 

[NooBHA]

As most people know, I would be one of the last people to defend the Conservatives but he did recover from his errors quite well.

Or maybe that's just because they are so used to covering up their own shit that they have become experts at it.

 

[studio150]

The point isn't the mistake, its the reporting of the mistake. Do you think the coverage of Abbott's numerical errors were balanced and objective in comparison to Hammond and Gove? This isn't a party political point, this is a point about free press, and fair coverage.

But isn't the definition of a free press that they are free to report or not report what they want to and are not dictated to by Government.

 

[The Large One]

As most people know, I would be one of the last people to defend the Conservatives but he did recover from his errors quite well.

Or maybe that's just because they are so used to covering up their own shit that they have become experts at it.

Gove doesn't trust experts.

Anyone can offload flannel and bullshit, and sound convincing for it. The fact is, he was there to defend a promote a policy he didn't know enough about, and it showed.

 

[Ernest]

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[Bold Seagull]

But isn't the definition of a free press that they are free to report or not report what they want to and are not dictated to by Government.

When the mainstream press is owned by a few multi billionaires, then they are free to report what they want and in turn dictate what they want. If you want to sit back and swallow that and be governed by people influenced by that propaganda then fine, but it is vital that this is challenged and highlighted in a robust fashion - otherwise they will continue to get away with it.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Philip Hammond got the cost of HS2 wrong by 20 billion pounds.

Michael Gove got his immigration figures totally wrong and revealed his didn't actually know how much the immigration skills charge is, despite wanting to double it.

Amber Rudd claimed that police officers shouldn't need to use fool banks because they earn 40k a year. That figure is £2000 higher than the absolute maximum a police constable at the top of the pay bracket can earn.

Abbott made headline news with her blunder. None of the above did. And people claim there isn't press bias.

 

[jakarta]

Gove doesn't trust experts.

Anyone can offload flannel and bullshit, and sound convincing for it. The fact is, he was there to defend a promote a policy he didn't know enough about, and it showed.

I listened to this (LBC is far better than the BBC at skewering politicians of both left & right which is why Corbyn has consistently refused to be interviewed by the way - Ferrari would literally have him for Breakfast).

It was a general political interview about the Election, he is a Back bencher and as you say, didn't know the specific details about a particular policy. He didn't cover himself in glory but compared to the road crash interview from the prospective Home Secretary...

 

[beorhthelm]

The point isn't the mistake, its the reporting of the mistake. Do you think the coverage of Abbott's numerical errors were balanced and objective in comparison to Hammond and Gove? This isn't a party political point, this is a point about free press, and fair coverage.

Abbotts errors were massively incorrect on a policy she is supposed be responsible for, and what made it worse was her poor attempt to correct/get out of it, just digging. the Gove one he got half right (knew the number but not if it was the current or future).

 

[The Large One]

I listened to this (LBC is far better than the BBC at skewering politicians of both left & right which is why Corbyn has consistently refused to be interviewed by the way - Ferrari would literally have him for Breakfast).

It was a general political interview about the Election, he is a Back bencher and as you say, didn't know the specific details about a particular policy. He didn't cover himself in glory but compared to the road crash interview from the prospective Home Secretary...

In which case - one, why put himself out there, unprepared? And two, this is the form of a former government minister, who should know better. It's not as though Ferrari was Paxmaning him.

Rest assured, if Theresa May gets to pick her own cabinet on June 9, Michael Gove will be hanging around like a rancid fart looking for a government gig. He can't help himself.

But as someone else has pointed out, it's not the severity of the car crash, it's the nature of the coverage in the press and media that's the real story.

 

[The Large One]

Philip Hammond got the cost of HS2 wrong by 20 billion pounds.

Michael Gove got his immigration figures totally wrong and revealed his didn't actually know how much the immigration skills charge is, despite wanting to double it.

Amber Rudd claimed that police officers shouldn't need to use fool banks because they earn 40k a year. That figure is £2000 higher than the absolute maximum a police constable at the top of the pay bracket can earn.

Abbott made headline news with her blunder. None of the above did. And people claim there isn't press bias.

I don't think people don't claim there's a press bias.

It's more they don't care that there's a press bias.

 

[Silk]

Tories don't make mistakes. And when they do they don't get reported.
Its called a "free press" and unlike TV it doesn't have to be balanced.
Its the sun wot wins elections which is why I've given up buying newspapers.

This

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[Bold Seagull]

Abbotts errors were massively incorrect on a policy she is supposed be responsible for, and what made it worse was her poor attempt to correct/get out of it, just digging. the Gove one he got half right (knew the number but not if it was the current or future).

And Hammond's errors!? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/philip-hammond-hs2-cost-wrong-20bn-radio-interview-highspeed-railway-4-today-programme-election-2017-a7742006.html

I deliberately led with Gove's errors as I knew they'd be those that would defend on his position, or context.

The main point is, Abbott gave that same interview through most of the day, and in that last interview got herself all mixed up. The press absolutely crucified her on the error, not a mention she'd got it right, or discussing the actual points.

Now we have other errors being made and the press are simply not interested. Why is that? How does Hammond get off so lightly when he puts a £20bn difference in figures down to 'contingency'!