[Politics] Brexit

[pastafarian]

Good to see the figures, but sticking up for the oldies (seeing as some are blaming them for costing the NHS a lot, plus the vote of Brexit) they have paid into the system, not all of them live to a ripe old age, not all of them need care. The 20-30 group who are obviously fitter, have paid very little into the system and will get help when they reach old age.......evolution, long live the NHS and free presciptions for the elderly.

this makes sense.
One of the most unsavoury outcomes of the vote was the vile demonisation of so called elderly people, quite astonishing to see how the millennials branded them as worthless and guilty of destroying young peoples aspirations......last time i looked all votes were valid.
The referendum vote wasnt political but i wonder if this gross thinking is in line with the corbyn types that are purely focused on young people and oldies can wither off and die......thats the perception they give off anyway.

 

[studio150]

Twenty reasons why Brexit will be even trickier than we thought:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/06/twenty-reasons-brexit-trickier-than-we-thought

Brexiters, what have you done?! All this to reclaim a vague notion of sovereignty...

But all this is worth the pain as we get our country back. Don't forget you shouldn't have posted these issues as leavers have banned all detail other than where it says Brexit is brilliant

 

[pastafarian]

Twenty reasons why Brexit will be even trickier than we thought:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/06/twenty-reasons-brexit-trickier-than-we-thought

Brexiters, what have you done?! All this to reclaim a vague notion of sovereignty...

we have given you our country back........you are welcome!
if the notion of sovereignty is vague and we are just imagining it then you have nothing to worry about by us taking this (imaginary ) sovereignty back.
why are you complaining about us taking it back if sovereignty being taken away doesnt exist?

 

[pastafarian]

While local prejudices are the subject,somebody in the pub this aft assured me that' southerners need immigration because there are that many perverts the population would decline too much without it'!!!!!

bit harsh
however on the subject of free movement in Europe some groups love this idea, namely paedophiles, sex traffickers, terrorists and modern slavers. It goes without saying if free movement around Europe was curtailed it would go some way to towards stopping these activities.
These are major reasons why i believe the whole concept of free movement is wrong. It simply cannot protect the most vulnerable.

I should clarify before i get in trouble .......not all supporters of free movement are paedophiles, sex traffickers, terrorists and modern slavers

 

[Soulman]

Good moaning. Brexit let's be avin you.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Me too, I have never seen so many thick necks. The whole male population seemed to be built for door work.

I think you're exaggerating here; at least a third looked like they work in the meat industry.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

None of your craft-beer sipping softies would survive a night on the Westgate run!

I am struggling to find any reason why I would ever find myself in Westgate for a night.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

we have given you our country back........you are welcome!
if the notion of sovereignty is vague and we are just imagining it then you have nothing to worry about by us taking this (imaginary ) sovereignty back.
why are you complaining about us taking it back if sovereignty being taken away doesnt exist?

Er.......what?

 

[pastafarian]

something that has completely thrown me over the last few pages.

can somebody please explain why the remainers have such a negative perception of people from Wakefield ? what is all the wakefield sneering about?

 

[pastafarian]

Er.......what?

apparently by leaving the EU it doesnt mean we take our sovereignty back

ok fair enough if thats what you believe.....why moan then about us taking sovereignty back if we are not actually doing it

seems a hypocritical position.......

 

[El Presidente]

I wonder though what comparative cover is offered by Medicare compared to the cradle to grave NHS. Quite apart from that I still think that Mr Rifkind is misusing the figures. We would need to know the actual Healthcare usage of British people in Spain and
vice versa. Rather than saying there are very few Spanish pensioners in the U.K. and leaving it at that he needs to quote the amount of NHS healthcare used by younger Spanish people otherwise his figures are meaningless.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

something that has completely thrown me over the last few pages.

can somebody please explain why the remainers have such a negative perception of people from Wakefield ? what is all the wakefield sneering about?

You could insert many northern towns or much of the working class into that bracket. It's fascinating that Brexit seems to have made unlikely bedfellows of posters who purport to be socialists and Tory posters. I can understand the Tory supporters maybe harbouring negative views of this sort, but the labour supporters baffle me. Before all of this blew up, there were those on this board that have complained about the treatment of the working class and yet now are prepared to pile in, as they appear to be angry that many working class people have given two fingers to the EU. This is the case on social media as well. Whether Brexit will go any way to solving inequality remains to be seen, however liberal globalisation has been an unmitigated disaster for the poor and the policies of the EU have in some ways helped cause that.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

apparently by leaving the EU it doesnt mean we take our sovereignty back

ok fair enough if thats what you believe.....why moan then about us taking sovereignty back if we are not actually doing it

seems a hypocritical position.......

I'm not challenging your post; more not fully following the clumsy language and logic.

 

[pastafarian]

I'm not challenging your post; more not fully following the clumsy language and logic.

clumsy as the language may be
i wouldnt challenge my post either .......as i am correct

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

There is logic there. It has been said, by some remain posters, that we voted leave to regain sovereignty but that it's been meaningless and of no value. It has also been pointed out many times in a sneering way that 'we get our country back.' Those arguments are absurd.

 

[mikeyjh]

Before all of this blew up, there were those on this board that have complained about the treatment of the working class and yet now are prepared to pile in

We don't agree on much (regarding this subject) but you are making an entirely valid point here - There are many that have no concept about how detached and disenfranchised people in some regions are, I've talked to people in South Wales, in Northern England, people who voted both in and out. Their testimony bares little resemblance to the words of the posters/commentators/journalists from the South East of England....

 

[pastafarian]

It's fascinating that Brexit seems to have made unlikely bedfellows of posters who purport to be socialists and Tory posters. I can understand the Tory supporters maybe harbouring negative views of this sort, but the labour supporters baffle me. Before all of this blew up, there were those on this board that have complained about the treatment of the working class and yet now are prepared to pile in, as they appear to be angry that many working class people have given two fingers to the EU. This is the case on social media as well.

And you have summed it up quite well.
A strange amalgamation of bed fellows from diverse political spectrums who saw The EU as broken, devoid of accountability to the ordinary bloke, vastly out of touch and adverse to any change

If tories,labour, socialists and trade unions can unite to defeat The EU then you know it is a serious problem

 

[brighton fella]

ive had enuogh of all the remoaners still moaning and moaning so on Saturday at the Bexhill LGBT Christmas Market i will be giving out samples of my warm winter berrys chutney but only peoples who voted OUT can taste them using my organic grissini

Breadsticks mean breadsticks

Regards

DR

I shall be doing my good xmas deed,this year...A works colleague of the mrs is living alone so the mrs out of pity has kindly invited the lonely old dear over ours for xmas dinner, i don't know the woman and the mrs barely knows her but all the same a nice gesture.
I told the mrs that should i happen to find out beforehand that the woman is a remoaner then i am sorry but the offer is off......i want to enjoy my xmas dinner without the need of chucking it over some gobby remoaners head, cant be any fairer than that.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Twenty reasons why Brexit will be even trickier than we thought:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/06/twenty-reasons-brexit-trickier-than-we-thought

Brexiters, what have you done?! All this to reclaim a vague notion of sovereignty...

I know Mr Dunt is preaching to the converted but he missed an obvious one ... some sections of the establishment/media/population refusing to accept the result and doing all they can to reverse/undermine it.

Also a point of order on the factual accuracy, poll after poll showed better-controlling immigration to be the number one or two priority for the UK public. On the specific issue of free trade or free movement ....

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9778

 

[JC Footy Genius]

You could insert many northern towns or much of the working class into that bracket. It's fascinating that Brexit seems to have made unlikely bedfellows of posters who purport to be socialists and Tory posters. I can understand the Tory supporters maybe harbouring negative views of this sort, but the labour supporters baffle me. Before all of this blew up, there were those on this board that have complained about the treatment of the working class and yet now are prepared to pile in, as they appear to be angry that many working class people have given two fingers to the EU. This is the case on social media as well. Whether Brexit will go any way to solving inequality remains to be seen, however liberal globalisation has been an unmitigated disaster for the poor and the policies of the EU have in some ways helped cause that.

I thought it was quite a common affliction for many Socialists .. having a condescending contempt for the lower orders. Which is why they only know what's best for them.