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I am uneducated and even with my limited knowledge was thinking just this-i was thinking that any legal challenge to oppose Brexit,ultimately will fail?
[Politics] Brexit
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I am uneducated and even with my limited knowledge was thinking just this-i was thinking that any legal challenge to oppose Brexit,ultimately will fail?
Neville's Breakfast
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Perhaps Wakefield is aware of the line sold by the Tories that enriching the wealthy would lead to benefits for the rest through trickle down economics. This was the Reagan administrations plan in the 80s and it presented itself over here with the South East becoming richer on the back of inflated asset prices and a never ending supply of cheap EU Labour. Now London and other wealthy middle class areas are squealing because the rest of the country has had enough of this ever increasing inequality. If anyone becomes poorer it is unlikely to be those already left behind.
A post on a forum with a user name only. It wasn't accredited to any specific source. I just found the argument very interesting and will be researching into it myself tomorrow. Just wanted to share it, to see what people thought.
GT49er
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Interesting. Perhaps the Treaty of Rome, per se, did not cede sufficient sovereignty to fall foul of the quoted laws? The trickle down effect since - Single European Act, Lisbon Treaty etc, - has further surrendered sovereignty. Maybe if the whole lot had been presented at the start (plus Shengen and the Euro - undoubtedly Heath would have signed up to the lot - he was desperate to be named European Man of the Year and to get presented with an ocean going racing yacht after all - then signing up would have contravened the various treason acts.
Whatever, I don't think it will cut much ice with today's judges in the supreme court; they are, after all, all part of the wealthy upper middle class Oxbridge elite that thinks sol lucet out of the EU's culus.
I assume you've never been to The Dales then HT ? Or indeed any of the fine eating places ? That statement is as sweeping as me saying 'Germany is grey'.
- Jan 18, 2009
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The fact nevertheless is that the "remain" side was massively underwritten by the establishment, which is the very nexus of the term elite.
The broadening of the term elite or establishment to extend to the leaders of the leave is disingenuous, at best it could refer to wealth or influence or schooling, but that is to ignore the motives of remain and leave.
Remain was the neo-liberal status quo, of which the EU is a central tenet. The official position of all mainstream and most second level political parties all supported remain.
Further, the remain side was supported overwhelmingly by business leaders, high level civil servants, scientists, artists and a whole smorgasbord of different personalities.
If that is not evidence of the establishment I don't know what is?
The likes of Gove, Boris Johnson and Farage may posses the attributes of the elite and/or establishment however they were campaigning against it..........deceived or not, the vast majority of the working class agreed with them.
- Jan 18, 2009
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Your deep rooted prejudice about Farage is blinding you.......
Most working class people can recall how a working class labour supporter (Gillian Duffy) was treated by Gordon Brown.
You may be right about Farage however he has never treated the working class like Brown, or committed the crimes of his predecessor Blair.
For every moan you have about Farage, you should have 20 about them. Farage came to prominence as a CONSEQUENCE of their disdain for the working class.
That is why we are where we are..........your ire is misplaced.
But you know that don't you?
Baldseagull
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quite possibly although I thought some of the NSC responses were predictably dismissive.
Rather proves the point some audience members were making.
Go to Wakefield, go to the pubs on a Saturday night, see it for yourself.
Mr Banana
Tedious chump
The ballot paper should have said
Do you fear immigrants
Would you like to be able to live in France
The whole thing is adrenalised by fear (and the personal is political - most people seem to be gripped by anxiety). Ignorance fuels that. When people don't understand what anyone is really saying, they gravitate towards the people who speak loudest. Almost no-one is voting for policies. They are voting for the strongest personalities. Also, in times of uncertainty, human instinct is to shut down, stick with what you know and become more insular. There is a better way and if the world doesn't implode the next generation may prove that. If they get the chance and aren't embittered.
Do you fear immigrants
Would you like to be able to live in France
The whole thing is adrenalised by fear (and the personal is political - most people seem to be gripped by anxiety). Ignorance fuels that. When people don't understand what anyone is really saying, they gravitate towards the people who speak loudest. Almost no-one is voting for policies. They are voting for the strongest personalities. Also, in times of uncertainty, human instinct is to shut down, stick with what you know and become more insular. There is a better way and if the world doesn't implode the next generation may prove that. If they get the chance and aren't embittered.
- Jan 18, 2009
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No I am not, you stated in a post that "most of the 27 are also countries that stood alone in the 1940s and were picked off by either Nazi Germany or Communist Russia".
I identified a number of those countries that in fact supported Nazi Germany, notwithstanding the countries that we neutral but had Govts sympathetic to Nazi Germany. Had such Govts (particularly in Eastern Europe) not pursued pacts or acted in concert with Nazi Germany then arguably they may have avoided the oppression of the soviets.
Cause and effect, and a tragedy for the Czechs and Poles in particular.
But that does not equate to your sentiment of "most" of the EU countries standing nobly standing alone against Nazi Germany. Only one current EU country did, and it recently voted to leave the EU.
I've seen Last of The Summer Wine.
- Jan 18, 2009
- 4,751
What you really mean is.......
In the last 20 years have your working conditions and/or local community environment changed for the better?
Are you rich enough not to give a flying f@ck?
Sounds like you have been on it.
Why? I await your hugely hilarious response.
Exciting isn't it.
When someone sets you up, like I just did, ideally you should try and come back with a smart and withering put down. Or at the very least something which makes some sense. As it's the season of good will I'll give you another chance.
I believe you set yourself up fairly well. I respond when I want not on your arrogant request. Have a lovely season of goodwill in the fatherland.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
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If pubs on a Saturday night are the supposed benchmark of the population there would be quite a few areas we could all dismiss/stereotype.
I have lived in the South, Midlands and the North (including Yorkshire).
Same here JC. Some lovely areas and some not as good, same as down South really.
But you never respond do you? You never stand on your own two feet. This is the point. You just agree with your like-minded friends or vacuously paste stuff which you seemingly haven't fully read and certainly not fully understood. And when you are pressed for a response you always use the line above; in any walk of life if you repeatedly say "I'll reply when I want to" it means you're either slow-witted, don't have a response or both. I know this, everyone else knows this and most of all you know this.
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