[Politics] Brexit

[spring hall convert]

It was a surprise to me too,... especially as it was this age group who were so vitriolic after about the "older generation giving away their futures"

Honestly, it's nothing to crow about. Leave won, great for you but has also highlighted the political disengagement of an entire generation on an issue they were repeatedly being told was massively important.

If you don't find that number very scary you are either stupid or too old to really care beyond the next 10 years. It's dangerous.

 

[BBassic]

we will be leaving the EU
regards
DR

Yes, yes, I'm aware, but what does have to do with literally anything I wrote?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Yet in an earlier post you talk of the value of inclusivity . . As ever, it is for everybody else.

Oh, FFS, it's the Fairy. He offers nothing of any value to any debate - you have to be aware of this.

 

[5ways]

52% voted to leave the train wreck and deserve to have their vote acted on by politicians committed to fulfilling this mandate. People who have no faith in our ability to prosper outside the EU or seek to undermine our ability to negotiate can bog off.

Mandate only to leave not the terms of leaving or the deal thereafter.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

This is an absolutely bullshit standpoint - the nationalistic crap, that Remain voters have less pride in our country and like 'putting it down'.

We were the ones who were reasonably content, remember. It is you guys who created the self-fulfilling prophecy that everything is shit.

SO YOU'RE ANOTHER ONE WHO SAYS THIS COUNTRY ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH to stand on it's on two feet , YOU HAVEN'T SURPRISED ME nothing to do with NATIONALISTIC CRAP AS YOU PUT IT , more a belief that we're "good enough" to do our own thing with out the constraints of a spent force like the EU
regards
DR

 

[spring hall convert]

It was a surprise to me too,... especially as it was this age group who were so vitriolic after about the "older generation giving away their futures"

That's why there is a cry to have a 2nd referendum,.. this time they wont have their heads stuck in their phones and dope bongs, "shit, we had better act like grownups and walk the walk instead of just shouting at everyone that they owe them a living, and its all someone elses fault"

I don't want that, I am happy at the outcome, but for the remainers to bleat about uninformed Brexiters being the cause of all their angst, is just bloody rich.

Do you know many young people? I mean 18-25.

 

[RandyWanger]

James O'Brien's take on the High Court's Brexit ruling is worth a listen. Video's online. May even be on here already.

 

[heathgate]

Honestly, it's nothing to crow about. Leave won, great for you but has also highlighted the political disengagement of an entire generation on an issue they were repeatedly being told was massively important.

If you don't find that number very scary you are either stupid or too old to really care beyond the next 10 years. It's dangerous.

Who is crowing, you really need to read with more comprehension. I said I was SURPRISED that's not crowing. I am neither old nor stupid,.. 53 and a well paid IT consultant,... happy with my demographic now?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

yes, yes, i'm aware, but what does have to do with literally anything i wrote?

by leaving the EU we will be going global and larger

 

[Hastings gull]

There is a large proportion of the population who have proved themselves nationalistic and isolationist, there has been a seismic split between them and those who wish to remain inclusive and global - also a large proportion.

Clear now?

And I am not happy to be negative. My negativity about the results of the Brexit vote is not about being determined to be negative. It is in response to what has happened and what I think is going to happen next.

I see no positives to Brexit. None at all.

This is far too simplistic. All those who disagree are nationalistic and those who agree with you value inclusivity. I voted remain because I was genuinely uncertain, and so opted to stay in so that I can go over to Calais to get cheaper booze. My brother uses a flat in Leipzig and voted remain as he was worried that it might be more expensive if we left. My dog walking mate has a house in France and voted remain as he was worried that border controls would take longer. Whilst these motives are quite understandable, they have nothing to do with wanting to be inclusive. Many who voted remain did so because they felt that they would be materially better off with what they perceive to be economic certainty- don't label people in such a sweeping manner. I don't dispute, moreover, that some folk voted to leave for questionable reasons, but others might just be that that shade concerned as to how the UK's infrastructure can cope if current figures of immigration are not curtailed.

 

[BBassic]

by leaving the EU we will be going global and larger

Annoyingly I actually can't argue with that.

Touche.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

oh, ffs, it's the fairy. He offers nothing of any value to any debate - you have to be aware of this.

it pains you doesn't it
regards
DR

 

[Hastings gull]

Oh, FFS, it's the Fairy. He offers nothing of any value to any debate - you have to be aware of this.

As I said -valuing inclusivity is for everyone else in practice.

 

[heathgate]

Do you know many young people? I mean 18-25.

Son 25 ( engineer), daughter 27( coporal in RM Band),... 7 nieces and nephews between 18 and 23... several more just outside this age range. At least 30 testers in and around that age range working for or with me in a professional IT environment. I am not sure what chink in my armour you imagine I have, but its not going to be available to you in this debate chap.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Annoyingly I actually can't argue with that.

Touche.

just making my point
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Seriously don't bother. It's fundamentally evident from this thread that he voted leave on some two-fingers to this, wind up with absolutely no comprehension of what he was actually doing. That's if he did even vote. Don't feed the troll.

blimey
regards
DR

 

[hans kraay fan club]

SO YOU'RE ANOTHER ONE WHO SAYS THIS COUNTRY ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH to stand on it's on two feet , YOU HAVEN'T SURPRISED ME nothing to do with NATIONALISTIC CRAP AS YOU PUT IT , more a belief that we're "good enough" to do our own thing with out the constraints of a spent force like the EU
regards
DR

This isn't the 19th century, das. There isn't a nation on Earth that 'stands on its own two feet' in isolation. Even North Korea has allies.

Nobody is suggesting the UK is not 'good enough' or otherwise. Simplistic terms like that do nothing to progress the debate at all.

 

[Buzzer]

I am English simply because the womb I congealed in happened to be attached to a woman living in Sussex rather than Syria. It's a complete crap shoot.

I personally find those that cling to ridiculous ideas like nationalism to be pretty weak. Go larger, go global. It's a big planet, embrace it.

I'm not sure it is entirely ridiculous. I think there's a number of different ways that make it just how it is for most of us and then those ideas reinforced. At the risk of stretching this analogy - patriotism is not much different from being a football fan of a particular club. You have rivals, there's a history, a shared bond with others. You can be a football fan without supporting a football club but it's very unusual and a lot of us enjoy watching other games but that's never going to stop us from having our favourite. The World Cup and Olympics and all other international competitions exist because of nationalism.

I'd also say that a certain kind of nationalism is far more natural than the idea of everyone identifying as one homogeneous group. Over the last 150 years, countries and regions have overwhelmingly fought to gain independence and sovereignty. It's rarely if ever the other way around and if self-rule isn't a kind of nationalism then I don't know what is. And just because these nationalists seek to rule themselves it doesn't necessarily mean that they are small-minded or racist or that they don't want to explore the world. They'd just like to make their own decisions.

I'm extremely patriotic. I love being English and I think Cecil Rhodes was spot on when he said that to be born English is to win the lottery in life. I think you can be patriotic, wherever you come from and still be open-minded.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

This isn't the 19th century, das. There isn't a nation on Earth that 'stands on its own two feet' in isolation. Even North Korea has allies.

Nobody is suggesting the UK is not 'good enough' or otherwise. Simplistic terms like that do nothing to progress the debate at all.

Really you haven't proved me wrong in anything you post, JUST ADMIT YOU CAN'T FACE UP TO LIFE OUT OF THE EU AND THE UK DOING IT'S OWN THING.... you sound scared ,"isolation" where did you get that one from
regards
DR

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Really you haven't proved me wrong in anything you post, JUST ADMIT YOU CAN'T FACE UP TO LIFE OUT OF THE EU AND THE UK DOING IT'S OWN THING.... you sound scared ,"isolation" where did you get that one from
regards
DR

I'm not attempting to 'prove you wrong'. Your colours are very firmly nailed to various masts, and I'm well aware it would be a fruitless exercise to try to convince you otherwise on any of them.

It simply isn't about being 'able' to face up to life outside the EU' is it? One way or the other, it won't be my choice - life will go on, in or out. I just personally believe that we are making life much harder for ourselves, with no good cause whatsoever.