You again, are looking too deeply into a bloody headline, it seems you on the left have a deep hate for many parts of our press, you kinda want it all your own way, you seem to seep frustration on why not everyone else cannot share your despair, but for nearly everyone else it is so unimportant and so obviously tabloid that it wouldnt even register in my psyche nor should it yours.
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[Politics] Brexit
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You again, are looking too deeply into a bloody headline, it seems you on the left have a deep hate for many parts of our press, you kinda want it all your own way, you seem to seep frustration on why not everyone else cannot share your despair, but for nearly everyone else it is so unimportant and so obviously tabloid that it wouldnt even register in my psyche nor should it yours.
- Apr 13, 2015
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"No idea.... "... it has been a feature of your posts and moderating style for years...
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The General Election draws ever close?
Oops, could get interesting now. Not sure the British public could stomach another election, in all honesty who is left to vote for? I see Nigel Farage is calling for a general election but UKIP don't have a leader, Labour don't have a party and the Lib Dems probably want a bit more time, although they could potentially be big winners in the future.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
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Parliament needs to vote to give the government permission to trigger article 50 if the court's final ruling deems this necessary and scrutinise the exit process over a 2 year period.
The choice was Leaving the EU or staying in. Staying in the single market, (=) remaining under ECJ jurisdiction, retaining free movement,staying in the customs union ... isn't any sort of credible Brexit.
#takebackcontrol ?
Whatever.
nicko31
Well-known member
Forget the opinions for a second, O'brien gets to the facts...
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obrien-on-the-high-court-brexit-ruling/
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obrien-on-the-high-court-brexit-ruling/
- Apr 13, 2015
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Not taking a stand on either position, simply highlighting that bland quotes and anecdotes, often plucked out of context,.. carry the risk of being labelled tenuous.
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Not sure thats how things work is it? A 52-48 vote to leave doesn't in my mind equate to a mandate to come up with a 3rd way. The 'soft Brexit" invention is really just that.
spring hall convert
Well-known member
Could the Tories really get together a Brexit plan that they can all get behind at a general election?
I don't think so.
Sorry and I should have added that's also what our mates in Brussels are saying too. There isn't a 3rd way. For now at least.
That is absurd, the problem here is "leave" has not been defined and was not in the referendum. If you had voted leave and a clear policy of Hard Brexit i'd accept that point but in reality it was a vote for many things to many people and is now descending into chaos.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
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52% voted to leave the train wreck and deserve to have their vote acted on by politicians committed to fulfilling this mandate. People who have no faith in our ability to prosper outside the EU or seek to undermine our ability to negotiate can bog off.
You're naive to dismiss the power of media. Look at how riled up people are getting just on this example of social media. People, unfortunately the kind of people who voted Brexit, do fall for exactly this kind of right wing propaganda. They fell for the anti-EU rhetoric before the vote and they'll fall for this bile too.
Correct.
There were many differing reasons to vote Leave amongst many different groups of voters, just as there were many differences amongst Remain voters.
As an example, on this thread somebody has stated that they voted Remain to protect freedom of movement, and someone has responded that they voted Leave but still cling to a slim hope of keeping that freedom.
Not everyone wants the same things, and the referendum question in no way defined Leave, beyond ceasing to be a member state of the EU.
spring hall convert
Well-known member
Imagine if it had been 52-48 in favour of Remain and it was used as a justification to join Schengen and The Euro, with zero Parliamentary scrutiny.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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bit of an odd event, if you read his resignation it could apply to any MP not agreeing with government policy on any issue. methinks more to it.
Quite honourable of him really. He's a committed "Remainer" representing one of the the staunchest pro-Brexit seats. If the local party puts forward a "Leaver" The Conservatives should hold the seat comfortably and with an M.P. who is more in line with his constituents.
mikeyjh
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I know I'm repeating myself a little here, but what did the 52% vote for? If we take the question literally then it probably means an immediate and full exit from all European ties. BUT, given that the Brexit campaigners cannot agree with exactly what the vote means and given that we're 4 months down the line and no close to knowing how it's going to work, how can we possibly infer the precise intentions of those 52%. At some point, we all have to hold our hands up and admit this is a complete shambles. Realistically, parliament now has to debate the terms of what brexit are, when and how it's going to happen.
There weren't 3 choices on the ballot - Leave, Stay and Soft Brexit. There was Leave or Stay . There isn't a mandate for Soft Brexit because it was only invented post the referendum.