R.I.P. The Jungle

[Norman Baker suck my lozenge]

Makes me weep,just seen it on the news,bus loads of toddlers,babes in arms some of them being bussed away from Calais,we should hang our heads in shame,I apologise on behalf of my Country.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Well this is the problem isn't it. The fact is there should be a new policy on people claiming asylum and governed by the UN. If those fleeing Syria and other war torn states want to claim asylum, they should do it in the first safe country. But that should not mean that, the safe country is the one that has to take them in if they are successful in claiming asylum. There should be a process that determines where best to house the seeker (in which country) based on a number of factors.

That actually sounds suspiciously like common sense...could be a starting point for sorting out the whole mess. To make it work people would have to back the system and stop agitating for either zero or unlimited immigration.

 

[wellquickwoody]

Something tells me you'll be fully supportive of the Aussie government's yahoo stance on refugees when you move Down Under...

I have to ask about the meaning of the 'yahoo' bit before I incriminate myself?

 

[BigGully]

Well this is the problem isn't it. The fact is there should be a new policy on people claiming asylum and governed by the UN. If those fleeing Syria and other war torn states want to claim asylum, they should do it in the first safe country. But that should not mean that, the safe country is the one that has to take them in if they are successful in claiming asylum. There should be a process that determines where best to house the seeker (in which country) based on a number of factors. Asylum should be refused in any other country other than the point of safe country entry. That would stop the migrants gathering or walking across borders to wherever they please and would ensure the migrants are correctly processed. This is the worlds problem and we should have a wide international approach to dealing with it. We need to rip up the asylum handbook and start again.

How would you acertain the best country to house anyone, the documentation in most peoples cases are at best vague, it will just end up with quotas and another numbers game.

So you get a unilateral decision by a member state such as Germany, who will then encourage more movement and displacement of peoples who are then perhaps foisted upon the UK as part of the quotas system due to that one nations policy.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I have to ask about the meaning of the 'yahoo' bit before I incriminate myself?

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yahoo&defid=2456321

'Australian slang word meaning uncouth lout. ... Yahoo is an uneducated person with a backwoods mentality.'

You do know what the Aussie government approach to boat people refugees is, right? Sub-contract with extreme prejudice the 'problem' to Papua New Guinea. Zero tolerance, even for babies. If the First World wasn't watching, they'd almost certainly just sink the boats and let the sharks do the rest.

 

[cheshunt seagull]

This is a hugely complex problem and simplistic diagnoses and solutions are to be treated with caution. What really depresses me is the amount of pleasure that so many people in the UK seem to get from seeing people suffer. History will not judge us wel. In how many cases do we look back at a former society/culture and say; if only they hadn't treated their immigrants/minorities so well.

 

[Captain Sensible]

How would you acertain the best country to house anyone, the documentation in most peoples cases are at best vague, it will just end up with quotas and another numbers game.

So you get a unilateral decision by a member state such as Germany, who will then encourage more movement and displacement of peoples who are then perhaps foisted upon the UK as part of the quotas system due to that one nations policy.

I don't know exactly how it is currently done or what criteria is met for a successful claim. It would be better than the current system of allowing refugees to become illegal economic migrants and be joined by economic migrants and choosing where to settle themselves. We currently do it at a national level, a successful asylum seeker is placed somewhere in the country based on where the authorities believe they will be best placed. There needs to be the same thing on an international level. In theory, if the process determines that an asylum seeker landing in Italy, is successful in claiming asylum, and the process determines the best place to offer asylum is in Finland, then that's where they have to go. Despite if the migrant wants to go somewhere else. It would end the economic migrants trying to pretend to be refugees as they wouldn't know where they would end up and ensure only genuine cases are accepted.

 

[alfredmizen]

Possibly.

I would question whether somebody who lands in Greece from Syria who has family in England who they may never get to see again would want to stop untiol they were reunited though.

I also think the situation with the children is much different to those of actual economic migrants, although the press told me they are all really 19 so **** em eh.

I would also question "parents" who are content to remain safely in this country while their "children" (I use that in the loosest sense for some of them) are left to fend for themselves in Calais ?

 

[wellquickwoody]

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yahoo&defid=2456321

'Australian slang word meaning uncouth lout. ... Yahoo is an uneducated person with a backwoods mentality.'

You do know what the Aussie government approach to boat people refugees is, right? Sub-contract with extreme prejudice the 'problem' to Papua New Guinea. Zero tolerance, even for babies. If the First World wasn't watching, they'd almost certainly just sink the boats and let the sharks do the rest.

Yes I am aware of their policy in regards to boat people. The idea of not just letting anyone and everyone in is patently sensible, controlled immigration has to be better than a free for all I would have thought.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

This is a hugely complex problem and simplistic diagnoses and solutions are to be treated with caution. What really depresses me is the amount of pleasure that so many people in the UK seem to get from seeing people suffer. History will not judge us wel. In how many cases do we look back at a former society/culture and say; if only they hadn't treated their immigrants/minorities so well.

Your only looking at the current situation, go back 10-15 years this country has welcomed hundreds of thousands of people long before Calais even became a problem. We have done nothing wrong in this country. I'm glad Calais is closing down, this is the year 2016, it is no way to carry on.

 

[carlzeiss]

Lets hope that the Children being allowed asylum from Calais do not cause similar controversy .

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-sentence-conviction-overturned-a7377491.html

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Yes I am aware of their policy in regards to boat people. The idea of not just letting anyone and everyone in is patently sensible, controlled immigration has to be better than a free for all I would have thought.

Well, yes, arguably, up to a certain civilised point. Aussie government stance goes WAY beyond what would be expected of any civilised nation lMHO, it'sw much like what you'd expect if Donald Trump had been put in charge of a country.

Anyways, don't go, as you say, incriminating yourself ahead of emigration, by arguing the point further, just in case Big Brother Oz is watching. Cos you just never know. Melbourne's grand. PNG? Not so much.

 

[The Birdman]

Same for all of us.... you aren't any different to the vast majority of the nation.

However, at a time when the population was a fraction of what it is now, you cannot measure the issues of today by the measures and context of the past.


Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk[/QUOTEyou right but we have some responsibility in helping to sort out some of the issues in the countries these desperate refugees come from otherwise they will continually come to the uk and Europe .

 

[alfredmizen]

This is a hugely complex problem and simplistic diagnoses and solutions are to be treated with caution. What really depresses me is the amount of pleasure that so many people in the UK seem to get from seeing people suffer. History will not judge us wel. In how many cases do we look back at a former society/culture and say; if only they hadn't treated their immigrants/minorities so well.

Pleasure ? Really ?

 

[alfredmizen]

Lets hope that the Children being allowed asylum from Calais do not cause similar controversy .

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-sentence-conviction-overturned-a7377491.html

Jesus wept and still people want to let them in

 

[alfredmizen]

Well, yes, arguably, up to a certain civilised point. Aussie government stance goes WAY beyond what would be expected of any civilised nation lMHO, it'sw much like what you'd expect if Donald Trump had been put in charge of a country.

Anyways, don't go, as you say, incriminating yourself ahead of emigration, by arguing the point further, just in case Big Brother Oz is watching. Cos you just never know. Melbourne's grand. PNG? Not so much.

But a lot grander than the place theyve come from , IF they are asylum seekers.

 

[GT49er]

I would offer the answer if I may?

Probably because they get a much easier ride in the UK? They get, or have the impression that they'll be housed and receive benefits.
I don't know if that's true and offer no judgement on it but I suspect that's true.
A bit like the Irish fleeing to the US during the famine. Seems a good deal.

Well, I must admit that's the first time I've ever heard that the Irish thought that the good old USA was offering benefits and housing to immigrants! They must have got a nasty shock.........!

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Lets hope that the Children being allowed asylum from Calais do not cause similar controversy .

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-sentence-conviction-overturned-a7377491.html

I can't believe what I'm reading. The Austrian legal system allows for the possibility of children consenting to being assaulted ? Quite appalling and probably says more about Austria than it does about the immigration debate.

 

[yxee]

This is a hugely complex problem and simplistic diagnoses and solutions are to be treated with caution. What really depresses me is the amount of pleasure that so many people in the UK seem to get from seeing people suffer.

Bloody hell, it's you against the world isn't it (in your head)!

 

[GT49er]

I can't believe what I'm reading. The Austrian legal system allows for the possibility of children consenting to being assaulted ? Quite appalling and probably says more about Austria than it does about the immigration debate.

And one more good reason for voting out of creeping unification!