LamieRobertson
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[Politics] Brexit
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beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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i think you're being disingenuous. there's been a problem with people coming in on student visa for a number of years, and you know policy can separate Chinese applicants who want to actually study at top tier institutions, from some of other nations that apply to courses at International School of Studies, 104b Brunswick Place.
Policy can in theory, but having had first hand experience of dealing the Border Agency in practice this is not the case.
We are operating in a competitiive market for students, who pay on average £15,000 a year to be here, and are now less likely to choose the UK, even if Amber Rudd lets them in.
The target of migration 'in tens of thousands', which has been set by the government, is not achieveable without a substantial reduction in student numbers. There are currently 436,000 in the UK, of whom nearly 90,000 are from China.
Of the net migration of 336,000, over half of which come from outside the EU. So there have to be substantial barriers, as otherwise the government's aims will be unachievable. There is already a points based system in operation for non-EU citizens, but that system resulted in over 180,000 people being allowed into the UK.
To me the numbers therefore don't seem to add up.
pastafarian
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I would disagree with this on every level.
Its incredibly important. It’s the main reason for leaving this institution.
It strikes at the whole concept of self governance.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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no the numbers dont seem to add up... arent you refering to total immigration with 436k and 336k net? not just Chinese student immigrants. and presumably the Hobson research covers EU citizens where i would expect a number would decide against the UK now. whats the impact to Chinese student market which we were specifically refering to? do they not want to come now they (might) be unable to travel across Europe in two years time?
i understand the target is stupid and im not particularly anti-immigration, i can just see there's a problem with economic migrants abusing the student visa system, which will probably ruin it for the real students.
Its just lazy and flawed analysis to use such a narrow and unsubstantiated claim on one Ryanair fare for next summer just so it can fit your Remain agenda.
I cannot be sure, but I suspect that Ryanair as with other airlines buy their fuel on some futures market/or other, there is every chance they are sitting on a 100 tonnes of airline fuel that they bought when oil prices were low and sterling strong, who knows.
Perhaps they are trying to increase margins to re-invest in the companies infrastructure, maybe new aircraft, greater dividends, more profit, but the reality remains that probably they have increased the fares to Spain to take up the slack from those customers that are no longer visiting previously popular destinations, thus increasing demand and the business re-adjusting their own pricing policy to reflect that new demand, probably reducing costs for those other routes at the same time.
There a 100's of reasons for a 40% increase on a single low unit price of any goods and services, you are unjustly guessing and blaiming Brexit, with your logic I might counter that the increased cost shows a new found confidence and a more viable customer willing to pay more to go abroad, but that would be silly ................
Agreed. The main problem in terms of visa abuse has been private colleges and universities (which have been encouraged to set up to make the market more competitive who employ staff whose main remit is to 'assist' international students coming to the UK. These private colleges are going to 'bust the doors open' according to Jo Johnson, HE Minister, Brother of Boris and Bullingdon club member and Eton educated man of the people.
deletebeepbeepbeep
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- May 12, 2009
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The UK imports around $200bn of goods a year more than it exports. Therefore if $1.20 is the new normal after the pre-Brexit $1.40 and there are no other economic problems caused by Brexit - that's £46bn a year lost on just the weaker pound. That's £897m a week, 2 and a half times what was claimed we would get back to pay for the NHS.
Basic figures but unless the pound recovers that's got to be the best case?
Basic figures but unless the pound recovers that's got to be the best case?
jakarta
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Why do you have to move to a Country to Study at a University (or do any other form of study)?
My second Job is a Visiting (part-time) Lecturer at Greenwich University and both the BSc and MSc courses I'm involved with are Distance Learning.
You log in to find the Course Notes, any exercises, seminars or presentations are there (or even on YouTube!) and when it is time for the Assignments they are also uploaded to the site via Turnitin. If you need to discuss anything with me you can email or Skype me - I've even done phone calls with student in Canada and Hong Kong!
Most of the MSc guys already have jobs (which is why they are doing their Masters) and don't want to come to the UK but even the BSc lot don't need to physically be here.
Some turn up for the Summer School but at least 90% don't.
Maybe if you need access to Laboratories and so forth it may be an issue but the whole concept of travelling to a place to be 'lectured at' is going to be as outmoded as people travelling into an office to switch on a computer when they could do the same thing at home.
My second Job is a Visiting (part-time) Lecturer at Greenwich University and both the BSc and MSc courses I'm involved with are Distance Learning.
You log in to find the Course Notes, any exercises, seminars or presentations are there (or even on YouTube!) and when it is time for the Assignments they are also uploaded to the site via Turnitin. If you need to discuss anything with me you can email or Skype me - I've even done phone calls with student in Canada and Hong Kong!
Most of the MSc guys already have jobs (which is why they are doing their Masters) and don't want to come to the UK but even the BSc lot don't need to physically be here.
Some turn up for the Summer School but at least 90% don't.
Maybe if you need access to Laboratories and so forth it may be an issue but the whole concept of travelling to a place to be 'lectured at' is going to be as outmoded as people travelling into an office to switch on a computer when they could do the same thing at home.
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Prices go up for many reasons, time of year is one because of the school holidays. Out of reach, well again that depends on where you go, the type of holiday you want as well. It is too open to blame a 40% increase on Brexit.
By the way there has been an increase in tourism to this country, and at least that money stays in the UK and doesn't get spent elsewhere, so it all evens out.
Germans will prefer to come to the UK over staying where they are to complete an MSc because we (well, where I work) can get them through an MSc in 1 year, not two (the norm in Germany). That's one huge reason for them. Also, they want to experience living abroad, and ideally working here too.
This morning on BBC radio 4, there were two 'experts', one Remainer and one Brexiteer.
Both agreed that there was a likelyhood irrespective of the refrendum of a reduction in the value of sterling anyway and both again agreed this was preferable, the Remainer saying it is now far too low and is likely to adversly effect our economy whilst the Brexiteer saying it is a just a passing blip and not permenant anyway and the reasons for its current position has multiple factors other than Brexit.
Pick the bones out of that, but I suspect it is better to have sterling lower than it was but not at levels seen lately ........................
All of this is irrelevant NOW
I was one of the BIGGEST PRO REMAIN and still am
However, I am even BIGGER on standing by the Democratic Procedures of the VOTE.
We voted to leave and we have to stick with that, good or bad so we just need to swallow what we have planted and grown. Lets just get on with it now and try and build a better economy, although the Leave Campaigners didn't really have any alternative policies lined up they need to start finding them now
I was one of the BIGGEST PRO REMAIN and still am
However, I am even BIGGER on standing by the Democratic Procedures of the VOTE.
We voted to leave and we have to stick with that, good or bad so we just need to swallow what we have planted and grown. Lets just get on with it now and try and build a better economy, although the Leave Campaigners didn't really have any alternative policies lined up they need to start finding them now
Yeah, let's just let Theresa May and her merry band of wankers steamroll through any policy she wants because 'Brexit means Brexit' after all.
Well they are the government and if there was a election tomorrow it would still be the government, its kind of their gig to get on with it.
Without anybody questioning what they mean by 'Brexit'?
Isnt that for the opposition to do, I am struggling to see any defined difference between Brexit and any other policies an elected government might introduce ....
It's for everyone, including a huge amount of Business leaders, who seem to think leaving the single market, as is the governments want (though not voted for in the referendum), is a very damaging move, to do.
Wow, that;s a terrible sentence, gramatically.
Well if you're taking one flight as evidence here's my research. Flight to Tenerife on Norwegian last October £39. Flight on Norwegian this October £39.
In times of strong £ and low oil prices Airlines will buy fuel 2+ years in advance so the impact of currency and oil will not be felt for a while. All you've run into I'd suggest is supply and demand and the dynamic pricing that airlines use based on bookings and expected loads
BTW I voted to stay in!
I am not happy about it or that either.
However, we do need to go ahead with what we voted for. I am not a fan of Theresa May or the Tory Party for that matter but they are not going to go into negotiations looking to come out of it badly for the UK - **** I don't believe I have just stuck up for Theresa May. My father would shoot me