[Politics] Brexit

[Soulman]

Yeah although there will be economic devastation, an emergency budget and world war 3 so it's swings and roundabouts really.

Oooh the drama.

 

[yxee]

The quicker article 50 is invoked the quicker an extra £350 million a week can be spent on the NHS surely?

So glad someone mentioned that after 1057 pages...

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I can't see how a hard brexit would benefit anyone.

Funnily enough I think it most likely a hard Brexit will occur because of the usual problem with the EU (getting 28/27 to agree on a deal) ... they all have to sign off on the Brexit conditions. If they didn't even have the sense to make minor concessions for Cameron to help stop us leaving it will come as no surprise if they can't agree on a deal in their economic self interests. Add to this the splits developing within the EU happy family, weakening of Merkel/Germany's leadership role and the ongoing delusional belief that any problem can be solved by more integration/EU makes a hard Brexit look more likely.

 

[GT49er]

The quicker article 50 is invoked the quicker idiots will stop rabbiting on about the mythical extra £350 million a week can be spent on the NHS surely?

Hopefully. Especially as no-one believed it anyway.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Funnily enough I think it most likely a hard Brexit will occur because of the usual problem with the EU (getting 28/27 to agree on a deal) ... they all have to sign off on the Brexit conditions. If they didn't even have the sense to make minor concessions for Cameron to help stop us leaving it will come as no surprise if they can't agree on a deal in their economic self interests. Add to this the splits developing within the EU happy family, weakening of Merkel/Germany's leadership role and the ongoing delusional belief that any problem can be solved by more integration/EU makes a hard Brexit look more likely.

Indeed. With Hungary and Slovenia becoming ever more isolated from the main northern EU countries and the strong likelihood off a Nexit vote taking place in the Netherlands next year. All is not harmonious in the EU !

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Indeed. With Hungary and Slovenia becoming ever more isolated from the main northern EU countries and the strong likelihood off a Nexit vote taking place in the Netherlands next year. All is not harmonious in the EU !

It will be interesting to see who (if anyone) will be next.

 

[The Clamp]

Brexit is like leaving your parents house to live in their outhouse. You may be able to **** in peace but you've still got to go through their door to take a piss or get a meal.

 

[Hampster Gull]

She doesn't look particularly fat to me. But dream on if you want to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCUDq-EN2sY

She is a politician, do you think its unreasonable for me to not believe everything i hear?

 

[Hampster Gull]

Brexit is like leaving your parents house to live in their outhouse. You may be able to **** in peace but you've still got to go through their door to take a piss or get a meal.

Or like the analogy to teenagers, they should really leave home whilst they know it all

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I can't see how a hard brexit would benefit anyone.

that's because you need a trip to the opticians
regards
DR

 

[GT49er]

She is a politician, do you think its unreasonable for me to not believe everything i hear?

You seem to have had no trouble believing the politicians that have argued for us to remain in the EU and who tried to scare us into voting remain by warning us that the sky would instantly fall in should we vote for Brexit

 

[portslade seagull]

You seem to have had no trouble believing the politicians that have argued for us to remain in the EU and who tried to scare us into voting remain by warning us that the sky would instantly fall in should we vote for Brexit

Yes but it was a one sided argument with blinkers and headsets on

 

[BigGully]

Yes I was referring to working/living. The wage disparity is an issue. But this was in response to an assumption that only brexiters were deciding how to vote not based on the economy.
But anyway, surely a good thing would be to decrease the wealth disparity throughout europe? It seems a little contradictory to have a go at the rich and big businesses for not paying their way and contributing to the poor via taxes and then not help out poorer nations in the eu.

Its a contradictory view, since when should we be somehow responsible for countries exclusively inside a politically evolved area, whats the EU got to do with that aspiration.

Even if you think just giving our money to a designated political area is a worthwhile aspiration, why should it follow that we should agree to uncontrolled and unsustainable (in my view) immigration in return for our generosity, at what point did you think that for example Poland and its people deserves nonrestrictive access to our job market, and be appointed the biggest recipient of the EU's taxpayers money ahead of say Africans ??

 

[The Clamp]

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...asons-not-to-panic-leave-remain-a7178611.html

Interesting points. Some I agree with some I don't but the overall thrust, that what is true today may not be true in the next few years, is a strong argument. One vote , one time is not how the world works. Good article.

 

[5ways]

Yeah although there will be economic devastation, an emergency budget and world war 3 so it's swings and roundabouts really.

Don't remember that on a side of a bus. I do remember reams of highly respected analysis arguing that Brexit will make us poorer, the IN campaign was built on more than a few cheap lies contra leave.

Maybe that's why we're being a little slow to pull the trigger, seeing as the Govt wrote a lot of this analysis.

 

[5ways]

Funnily enough I think it most likely a hard Brexit will occur because of the usual problem with the EU (getting 28/27 to agree on a deal) ... they all have to sign off on the Brexit conditions. If they didn't even have the sense to make minor concessions for Cameron to help stop us leaving it will come as no surprise if they can't agree on a deal in their economic self interests. Add to this the splits developing within the EU happy family, weakening of Merkel/Germany's leadership role and the ongoing delusional belief that any problem can be solved by more integration/EU makes a hard Brexit look more likely.

We were told there would be no easy way out, no cake and eating it.

 

[GT49er]

We were told there would be no easy way out, no cake and eating it.

That's what you were telling us!

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Don't remember that on a side of a bus. I do remember reams of highly respected analysis arguing that Brexit will make us poorer, the IN campaign was built on more than a few cheap lies contra leave.

Maybe that's why we're being a little slow to pull the trigger, seeing as the Govt wrote a lot of this analysis.

I have seen a lot of this type of post on both sides. If you can't see the disgraceful lies on both sides of the Official Tory led campaigns then it is difficult to debate as feels more like two sides in a football crowd.
There are in fact rational and coherent arguments to both sides of this debate and your constant assertion that this is not the case and that Leave voters are lacking in intelligence to believe so is somewhat wearing. I think that if it could have been accepted during the campaign that there was merit in the oppositions case then we would have had a chance of hearing the debate we deserved rather than the childish name calling and insults we were left with.

 

[5ways]

I have seen a lot of this type of post on both sides. If you can't see the disgraceful lies on both sides of the Official Tory led campaigns then it is difficult to debate as feels more like two sides in a football crowd.
There are in fact rational and coherent arguments to both sides of this debate and your constant assertion that this is not the case and that Leave voters are lacking in intelligence to believe so is somewhat wearing. I think that if it could have been accepted during the campaign that there was merit in the oppositions case then we would have had a chance of hearing the debate we deserved rather than the childish name calling and insults we were left with.

I paid pretty close attention heard two reasonable Leave arguments 1. The EU is undemocratic, 2. immigration is too high. Both were arguable but had better IN responses. I didn't and still don't think Leave had any good arguments.

Also if you want to discuss disgraceful lie emotionally blackmailing people into thinking that we could fund the EU or NHS is in a league of its own.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I paid pretty close attention heard two reasonable Leave arguments 1. The EU is undemocratic, 2. immigration is too high. Both were arguable but had better IN responses. I didn't and still don't think Leave had any good arguments.

Also if you want to discuss disgraceful lie emotionally blackmailing people into thinking that we could fund the EU or NHS is in a league of its own.

I give up.