The Jeremy Corbyn thread

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

As someone who considers themselves as in the centre of British Politics, this is a nightmare.

I could never vote for Corbyn, and feel the Labour Party is all but finished in its current form.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Latest Guardian/ICM poll (26-28th August):

Con: 41% (+1)
Lab: 27% (-1)
UKIP: 13% (nc)
LD: 9% (+1)
Grn: 4%

Whatever traction JC has within the Labour party, is still failing to make any impression on the electorate as a whole.

Corbyn needs to go, and go now.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

As someone who considers themselves as in the centre of British Politics, this is a nightmare.

I could never vote for Corbyn, and feel the Labour Party is all but finished in its current form.

This 100%

 

[Simster]

As someone who considers themselves as in the centre of British Politics, this is a nightmare.

I could never vote for Corbyn, and feel the Labour Party is all but finished in its current form.

Indeed. Time to give the Lib Dems another chance, especially as they are the only party dedicated to rewinding this absurd Brexit idea.

 

[Machiavelli]

Latest Guardian/ICM poll (26-28th August):

Con: 41% (+1)
Lab: 27% (-1)
UKIP: 13% (nc)
LD: 9% (+1)
Grn: 4%

Whatever traction JC has within the Labour party, is still failing to make any impression on the electorate as a whole.

You and I will have to agree to agree on this one. Which is unusual. The good news for you is that in all likelihood Labour's internal voters will utterly ignore these cues from the wider public, and re-elect Corbyn. And the Tories will be re-elected in 2020 irrespective of the Brexit fallout.

PS I did finally get one over you at Hove last week

 

[GT49er]

Indeed. Time to give the Lib Dems another chance, especially as they are the only party dedicated to rewinding this absurd Brexit idea.

That's the trouble with the Lib Dems - they have the wrong policies. For 52% of the population their no.1 priority is a complete no-no, making them as un-electable as Labour (plus they've got another substantial sector of the public that will never vote Lib Dem after they got into bed with the tories in 2010)..

 

[Simster]

That's the trouble with the Lib Dems - they have the wrong policies. For 52% of the population their no.1 priority is a complete no-no, making them as un-electable as Labour (plus they've got another substantial sector of the public that will never vote Lib Dem after they got into bed with the tories in 2010)..

Nope, you're wrong. 52% are not rabidly Brexit - that's just nonsense. There will be plenty who are not sure they made the right choice. The election might just show that. Regardless, many of the 48% who correctly realise just what a crap idea coming out of the EU is, will rally to the Lib Dem cause.

In fact, I'll BET you £30 that their support doubles from the last election - loser pays REMF.

They have 8 seats and a 7.9% of the popular vote. If they win 16 seats and 15.8%, I win. If I lose on both measures, you win. If we split, call it a no-bet.

 

[GT49er]

Nope, you're wrong. 52% are not rabidly Brexit - that's just nonsense. There will be plenty who are not sure they made the right choice. The election might just show that. Regardless, many of the 48% who correctly realise just what a crap idea coming out of the EU is, will rally to the Lib Dem cause.

Straws. Clutching at.

Besides that, two things: Firstly, Brexiters aren't 'rabidly Brexit'. We just want to leave the EU. Secondly, 62% are now in favour of pushing on with Brexit, now that we've gone down that route (poll last weekend).


And sorry, I don't bet. At all.

 

[Simster]

Straws. Clutching at.

Besides that, two things: Firstly, Brexiters aren't 'rabidly Brexit'. We just want to leave the EU. Secondly, 62% are now in favour of pushing on with Brexit, now that we've gone down that route (poll last weekend).


And sorry, I don't bet. At all.

Ah, all mouth. Gotcha.

 

[Cadiz Seagull]

I still think that if Corbyn is reelected as leader which seems likely the labour party will split. As long as one faction elects the right leader - David Miliband for me - then they are likely to see a big rise in the polls. Even to the extent of winning the next election or at least coming close.

General elections are not won by party members; they are won by the floating voter. Tony Blair became Prime Minister not because Labour members voted for him but because sufficient Tory and Lib Dem voters switched sides partly because he was acceptable to them and partly because their own leadership was weak.

 

[larus]

Nope, you're wrong. 52% are not rabidly Brexit - that's just nonsense. There will be plenty who are not sure they made the right choice. The election might just show that. Regardless, many of the 48% who correctly realise just what a crap idea coming out of the EU is, will rally to the Lib Dem cause.

In fact, I'll BET you £30 that their support doubles from the last election - loser pays REMF.

They have 8 seats and a 7.9% of the popular vote. If they win 16 seats and 15.8%, I win. If I lose on both measures, you win. If we split, call it a no-bet.

And how many of the people who voted to Remain because of all of the scare stories that would happen if we voted to leave would not choose to vote to leave instead? Yeah, we don't know, so how can people make stupid assumptions on the voting intentions of the whole country just because it suits their own opinion.

(Note : I know Brexit hasn't happened but we were threatened with a £30b budget, house price crash, interest rate rises, going to the back of the queue (Obama), etc.. All complete BS and (IMO) more people would be swayed to vote Brexit now).

 

[GT49er]

Ah, all mouth. Gotcha.

More straws, I'm afraid. I do not bet - get it? Not on horses, not on football pools, not on politics, not on two flies crawling up a window.. I do not bet, fact (that is fact as in fact, not as in fact as perceived by remoaners still wistful for Project Fear).

 

[Chicken Run]

Nope, you're wrong. 52% are not rabidly Brexit - that's just nonsense. There will be plenty who are not sure they made the right choice. The election might just show that. Regardless, many of the 48% who correctly realise just what a crap idea coming out of the EU is, will rally to the Lib Dem cause.

In fact, I'll BET you £30 that their support doubles from the last election - loser pays REMF.

They have 8 seats and a 7.9% of the popular vote. If they win 16 seats and 15.8%, I win. If I lose on both measures, you win. If we split, call it a no-bet.

Ahhhh Simster getting all excited about a Liberal resurgence, I'm very excited for you[emoji106]

 

[Simster]

And how many of the people who voted to Remain because of all of the scare stories that would happen if we voted to leave would not choose to vote to leave instead? Yeah, we don't know, so how can people make stupid assumptions on the voting intentions of the whole country just because it suits their own opinion.

(Note : I know Brexit hasn't happened but we were threatened with a £30b budget, house price crash, interest rate rises, going to the back of the queue (Obama), etc.. All complete BS and (IMO) more people be swayed to vote Brexit).

I take your point, but in 4 years time we will have a good idea what sort of deal has been negotiated by the Brexit team. The GE will be as good a time as any for the electorate to vote on it. Personally, I fully expect it to be a shockingly crap deal seeing as the EU hold all the aces. We have already seen back tracking on the £350m per week NHS tag line, and now apparently the points system won't be happening either - yet this board was full of people telling us that was the only way to control our borders properly.

More straws, I'm afraid. I do not bet - get it? Not on horses, not on football pools, not on politics, not on two flies crawling up a window.. I do not bet, fact (that is fact as in fact, not as in fact as perceived by remoaners still wistful for Project Fear).

Ah ok, I'll bear that in mind. But you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think this is all done and dusted. A paper thin majority and some of you clowns want us to tear up 40 years of history without so much as a pause for reflection, all the while conveniently forgetting Farage's own comments on a 52-48 not being the end of the debate (when it looked like he'd lose).

Ahhhh Simster getting all excited about a Liberal resurgence, I'm very excited for you[emoji106]

Cheers Chicken Run. Let's face it, Labour are a busted flush now. I'm sure you'll agree that the Lib Dems would make for far better official opposition than the current clowns?

 

[Chicken Run]

I take your point, but in 4 years time we will have a good idea what sort of deal has been negotiated by the Brexit team. The GE will be as good a time as any for the electorate to vote on it. Personally, I fully expect it to be a shockingly crap deal seeing as the EU hold all the aces. We have already seen back tracking on the £350m per week NHS tag line, and now apparently the points system won't be happening either - yet this board was full of people telling us that was the only way to control our borders properly.

Ah ok, I'll bear that in mind. But you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think this is all done and dusted. A paper thin majority and some of you clowns want us to tear up 40 years of history without so much as a pause for reflection, all the while conveniently forgetting Farage's own comments on a 52-48 not being the end of the debate (when it looked like he'd lose).

Cheers Chicken Run. Let's face it, Labour are a busted flush now. I'm sure you'll agree that the Lib Dems would make for far better official opposition than the current clowns?

I actually do[emoji106]

 

[GT49er]

Ah ok, I'll bear that in mind. But you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think this is all done and dusted. A paper thin majority and some of you clowns want us to tear up 40 years of history without so much as a pause for reflection.QUOTE]

You know, I might just have more respect for people's arguments, even if I didn't agree with them, if they didn't stupidly refer to those who disagree with them as clowns, or other derogatory terms.
And you can bet on that.......................

 

[alfredmizen]

This 100%

It sounds like a cliche , but I literally couldn't vote for any of them at the moment, Labour, Tory and I shouldn't even bother mentioning the Lib Dems.

 

[Simster]

You know, I might just have more respect for people's arguments, even if I didn't agree with them, if they didn't stupidly refer to those who disagree with them as clowns, or other derogatory terms.
And you can bet on that.......................

Funnily enough I don't believe you, seeing as you only ever refer to pro-EU people as "remoaners" and similar. I've been lurking on the referendum thread for several weeks now, and you can barely help yourself.

The fact is, the referendum is non binding and a paper thin majority anyway. The hypocrisy of some pro-brexiters insisting it be carried out on their terms when their own dear leader was warning it wouldn't be the end of it if it had finished 52-48 the other way, is breath-taking. And you're one of the worst of the lot.

Let's just see what kind of deal we are offered. Personally I suspect it will be utter pony.

 

[alfredmizen]

I take your point, but in 4 years time we will have a good idea what sort of deal has been negotiated by the Brexit team. The GE will be as good a time as any for the electorate to vote on it. Personally, I fully expect it to be a shockingly crap deal seeing as the EU hold all the aces. We have already seen back tracking on the £350m per week NHS tag line, and now apparently the points system won't be happening either - yet this board was full of people telling us that was the only way to control our borders properly.

Ah ok, I'll bear that in mind. But you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think this is all done and dusted. A paper thin majority and some of you clowns want us to tear up 40 years of history without so much as a pause for reflection, all the while conveniently forgetting Farage's own comments on a 52-48 not being the end of the debate (when it looked like he'd lose).

Cheers Chicken Run. Let's face it, Labour are a busted flush now. I'm sure you'll agree that the Lib Dems would make for far better official opposition than the current clowns?

They don't, and you know they don't, the trade deficit with the EU was nearly 24 billion in the first 3 months of this year.

 

[Simster]

They don't, and you know they don't, the trade deficit with the EU was nearly 24 billion in the first 3 months of this year.

Er, they absolutely do. We need them FAR more than they need us. It is utter delusion to suggest otherwise. We don't make enough "stuff" any more. We have to buy it all in.

You seem to think that because we are spending more money with them than the other way round, that somehow puts us in the driving seat. It doesn't. They will whack up tariffs and we will STILL buy from the EU because we can't make it ourselves.