[Politics] Brexit

[Soulman]

It's all going wrong for Brexiteers. Second ref only a few months away. My words? Mark 'em son. It's happening! Wayoooo!!

Calling people "son"...... now where have i seen that before, "lurching" from one username to another.

 

[smeg]

Leaving the EU will be a mistake and if it happens our kids will pay the price for decades, a lot of people who voted leave had an agenda plain and simple. They may say the vote was about being in or out and I voted out but there is more to it than that.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

There is no chance of a second referendum

 

[Soulman]

Leaving the EU will be a mistake and if it happens our kids will pay the price for decades, a lot of people who voted leave had an agenda plain and simple. They may say the vote was about being in or out and I voted out but there is more to it than that.

Same tune, different poster, so you know exactly what was in leave voters minds......... perhaps you should have told the Remoan gang, might have saved them from getting beaten.

 

[melias shoes]

Leaving the EU will be a mistake and if it happens our kids will pay the price for decades, a lot of people who voted leave had an agenda plain and simple. They may say the vote was about being in or out and I voted out but there is more to it than that.

I voted out. Tell my why I did. I want your version.

 

[Soulman]

Leaving the EU will be a mistake and if it happens our kids will pay the price for decades, a lot of people who voted leave had an agenda plain and simple. They may say the vote was about being in or out and I voted out but there is more to it than that.

I also voted out. Tell me why I did. I also want your version.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I also voted out. Tell my why I did. I want your version.

If you read the post you are replying to you will see that the poster referred to "a lot of people". Not "all people". You and Melia Shoes may well have voted Leave because of a concerns about presidential rotation or live animal shipments or what you regard as a lack of accountability. Smeg didn't claim to know. What he did suggest is that a lot of people voted Leave for reasons that weren't on the ballot paper. Anecdotal evidence isn't always conclusive but I have to say that at least 75 per cent of people I know of who voted Leave did so for faintly peculiar reasons - varying from a love of the queen to a dislike of muslims to wanting an 'entertainer prime minister' to a concern about the number of boats in Margate harbour. A chap in my village voted Leave because of the number of black people in London hospital waiting rooms. (I do however accept that, if you say so, you voted Leave for carefully-considered and valid reasons.)

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Leaving the EU will be a mistake and if it happens our kids will pay the price for decades, a lot of people who voted leave had an agenda plain and simple. They may say the vote was about being in or out and I voted out but there is more to it than that.

Let's hear what my agenda is then please .... this ought to be entertaining !

 

[Westdene Seagull]

no one will submit article 50,

I bet you £50 to REMF that Article 50 WILL be invoked. Man enough to take the bet ?

 

[Soulman]

1) Send Article 50 letter explaining we are leaving using our own constitutional arrangements, which will be an Act of Parliament.

2) Offer talks on trade and tariffs if they wish to change anything, saying we are happy to offer them no change to current arrangements. In other words, we stay in the Single Market as now, without the freedom of movement and the contributions. The advantage we have is when it comes to trading we are happy with the status quo, so they are the ones with a problem if they wish to change it.

This reverses the presumption of many commentators that the UK needs to negotiate with the rest of the EU, and is the supplicant. By definition, we cannot negotiate with them over taking back control. You are not taking back control of your laws, money and borders if you need to negotiate this with other EU countries.

By offering to keep all rules, laws and trade arrangements relevant to trade and investment we have no need to negotiate, unless they wish to impose new barriers on us. So we make them the generous offer of no change so they can continue to sell us so much more than we sell them, and see if they can reach agreement on barriers amongst themselves which we would then need to talk to them about.

Were they to be able to agree tariffs or other barriers they need to be WTO compliant, and it would allow us to impose tariffs on things like food and cars where they sell more to us. They are very keen to avoid tariffs.

3) Cancel EU contributions and incorporate the money in UK budgets, providing a 0.6% GDP boost through the extra spending and tax cuts amounting to the £10bn net a year we currently send to the EU and do not get back.

4) Announce that as from the specified date any EU citizen coming to the UK to work is welcome to do so until we have left the EU, but will need to apply for a work permit on our departure under the rules then applying worldwide on a non-discriminatory basis.

5) Develop and take work permit system for EU migrants to Parliament for approval. The scheme would be based on allowing high level migration (qualifications and or pay rates) but controlling worldwide numbers of lower paid employees. It would allow for seasonal labour and labour where there was a shortage or skills gap the UK could not easily plug in the short term.

The Irish border would operate as today, but any continental EU migrant using that border would need a work permit to get a job.

6) Work out new fishing arrangements and discuss with other North Sea neighbours both within and outside the EU

7) Launch Repeal Bill for 1972 Act with confirmation of EU laws as UK laws into Parliament. The aim should be a short and straightforward Bill that takes back control of our laws in the first clause, and guarantees all current EU law in the second clause as good UK law, pending any subsequent decisions to repeal or amend items not required to meet our trade obligations with the rest of the EU.

This would include early passage of new migration controls, and the cancellation of EU contributions.

 

[Driver8]

1) Send Article 50 letter explaining we are leaving using our own constitutional arrangements, which will be an Act of Parliament.

2) Offer talks on trade and tariffs if they wish to change anything, saying we are happy to offer them no change to current arrangements. In other words, we stay in the Single Market as now, without the freedom of movement and the contributions. The advantage we have is when it comes to trading we are happy with the status quo, so they are the ones with a problem if they wish to change it.

This reverses the presumption of many commentators that the UK needs to negotiate with the rest of the EU, and is the supplicant. By definition, we cannot negotiate with them over taking back control. You are not taking back control of your laws, money and borders if you need to negotiate this with other EU countries.

By offering to keep all rules, laws and trade arrangements relevant to trade and investment we have no need to negotiate, unless they wish to impose new barriers on us. So we make them the generous offer of no change so they can continue to sell us so much more than we sell them, and see if they can reach agreement on barriers amongst themselves which we would then need to talk to them about.

Were they to be able to agree tariffs or other barriers they need to be WTO compliant, and it would allow us to impose tariffs on things like food and cars where they sell more to us. They are very keen to avoid tariffs.

3) Cancel EU contributions and incorporate the money in UK budgets, providing a 0.6% GDP boost through the extra spending and tax cuts amounting to the £10bn net a year we currently send to the EU and do not get back.

4) Announce that as from the specified date any EU citizen coming to the UK to work is welcome to do so until we have left the EU, but will need to apply for a work permit on our departure under the rules then applying worldwide on a non-discriminatory basis.

5) Develop and take work permit system for EU migrants to Parliament for approval. The scheme would be based on allowing high level migration (qualifications and or pay rates) but controlling worldwide numbers of lower paid employees. It would allow for seasonal labour and labour where there was a shortage or skills gap the UK could not easily plug in the short term.

The Irish border would operate as today, but any continental EU migrant using that border would need a work permit to get a job.

6) Work out new fishing arrangements and discuss with other North Sea neighbours both within and outside the EU

7) Launch Repeal Bill for 1972 Act with confirmation of EU laws as UK laws into Parliament. The aim should be a short and straightforward Bill that takes back control of our laws in the first clause, and guarantees all current EU law in the second clause as good UK law, pending any subsequent decisions to repeal or amend items not required to meet our trade obligations with the rest of the EU.

This would include early passage of new migration controls, and the cancellation of EU contributions.

Are you John Redwood?

 

[B-right-on]

Smeg didn't claim to know. What he did suggest is that a lot of people voted Leave for reasons that weren't on the ballot paper)

WTF are you on? There were no 'reasons' on the ballot paper. On the ballot paper it had 2 boxes, leave or remain. So how can someone vote for someone when its not there.

Anecdotal evidence isn't always conclusive but I have to say that at least 75 per cent of people I know of who voted Leave did so for faintly peculiar reasons - varying from a love of the queen to a dislike of muslims to wanting an 'entertainer prime minister' to a concern about the number of boats in Margate harbour. A chap in my village voted Leave because of the number of black people in London hospital waiting rooms. (I do however accept that, if you say so, you voted Leave for carefully-considered and valid reasons.)

Well 100% of the people i know who voted Remain did it for "faintly peculiar reasons". My neigbour voted remain because he works for Imperial College London and a large percentage of their income comes from EU based students and they think that leaving might affect their income. My daughters friends parents voted Remain because that were worried he would be deported. She is British and he is Egyptian, he's been here for many years and have 2 kids in my daugthers school. Someone I know voted remain because he thinks that he wont be bale to go on holiday to France when we Brexit.

We can point to people on both sides that voted for 'reasons' we consider stupid/dump/ill-informed or plain daft. Doesn't prove that the majorty voted that way or even if they did, it was 'wrong' on the basis that their reason is different to yours.

 

[Soulman]

Are you John Redwood?

No silly, this is his very decent proposals.

 

[Soulman]

WTF are you on? There were no 'reasons' on the ballot paper. On the ballot paper it had 2 boxes, leave or remain. So how can someone vote for someone when its not there.



Well 100% of the people i know who voted Remain did it for "faintly peculiar reasons". My neigbour voted remain because he works for Imperial College London and a large percentage of their income comes from EU based students and they think that leaving might affect their income. My daughters friends parents voted Remain because that were worried he would be deported. She is British and he is Egyptian, he's been here for many years and have 2 kids in my daugthers school. Someone I know voted remain because he thinks that he wont be bale to go on holiday to France when we Brexit.

We can point to people on both sides that voted for 'reasons' we consider stupid/dump/ill-informed or plain daft. Doesn't prove that the majorty voted that way or even if they did, it was 'wrong' on the basis that their reason is different to yours.

Sense at last

 

[Wrong-Direction]

WTF are you on? There were no 'reasons' on the ballot paper. On the ballot paper it had 2 boxes, leave or remain. So how can someone vote for someone when its not there.



Well 100% of the people i know who voted Remain did it for "faintly peculiar reasons". My neigbour voted remain because he works for Imperial College London and a large percentage of their income comes from EU based students and they think that leaving might affect their income. My daughters friends parents voted Remain because that were worried he would be deported. She is British and he is Egyptian, he's been here for many years and have 2 kids in my daugthers school. Someone I know voted remain because he thinks that he wont be bale to go on holiday to France when we Brexit.

We can point to people on both sides that voted for 'reasons' we consider stupid/dump/ill-informed or plain daft. Doesn't prove that the majorty voted that way or even if they did, it was 'wrong' on the basis that their reason is different to yours.

This, everyone voted for their own selfish reasons, end of. And those that didn't saw through the bullshit and realised not a lot would change either way for the vast majority, OH HI!!!![emoji16] [emoji112]

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[Westdene Seagull]

Well 100% of the people i know who voted Remain did it for "faintly peculiar reasons". My neigbour voted remain because he works for Imperial College London and a large percentage of their income comes from EU based students and they think that leaving might affect their income. My daughters friends parents voted Remain because that were worried he would be deported. She is British and he is Egyptian, he's been here for many years and have 2 kids in my daugthers school. Someone I know voted remain because he thinks that he wont be bale to go on holiday to France when we Brexit.

We can point to people on both sides that voted for 'reasons' we consider stupid/dump/ill-informed or plain daft. Doesn't prove that the majorty voted that way or even if they did, it was 'wrong' on the basis that their reason is different to yours.

Most the reasons in your post I might concede are at least reasonable ( although I don't agree with them ) but this one it UTTERLY illogical ! Egypt isn't even in the EU so how does our membership, not not, affect his status ? Bizarre !

 

[portslade seagull]

Good news that it might not be looking that way though eh! You lot might lose some face but the country will
Better off. Small price to pay. Great news.

Keep clinging to your pie in the sky dreams. The truth will come out over time which will burst your lonely bubble

 

[studio150]

No silly, this is his very decent proposals.

So Day 1 two years from Article 50 and we are out of the EU with controlled boarders and everything else you wanted, and you want to drive your car to France.

Simple you think, but hang on.

Is your car now legal in the EU, given that cars for sometime have had the EU emblem as part of the number plates. Do you need a new set of number plates just with GB on the plate, or do you need a GB sticker elsewhere on the car.

What is the insurance position, given the rejection of EU legislation, we are now longer tied in European Directive 2009/103/EC and therefore there is no automatic minimum cover in the EU. A call to your Insurer is required to arrange extension of cover and a Green card needs to be issued.

Is a visa required to travel to EU

All documentation to be checked at border slowing down entry times to over an hour or more

While there, taken ill, but obviously EHC no longer valid, had you taken out medical insurance, or left paying the bill in full yourself.

The list goes on and on, and is not just as simple as we'll do want we want you have to fall in line.

 

[Soulman]

So Day 1 two years from Article 50 and we are out of the EU with controlled boarders and everything else you wanted, and you want to drive your car to France.

I have never visited France, let alone driven there.
I drive a lot getting to and from work, last thing i want to do is drive across Europe.

 

[GT49er]

So Day 1 two years from Article 50 and we are out of the EU with controlled boarders and everything else you wanted, and you want to drive your car to France.

Simple you think, but hang on.

Is your car now legal in the EU, given that cars for sometime have had the EU emblem as part of the number plates. Do you need a new set of number plates just with GB on the plate, or do you need a GB sticker elsewhere on the car.

What is the insurance position, given the rejection of EU legislation, we are now longer tied in European Directive 2009/103/EC and therefore there is no automatic minimum cover in the EU. A call to your Insurer is required to arrange extension of cover and a Green card needs to be issued.

Is a visa required to travel to EU

All documentation to be checked at border slowing down entry times to over an hour or more

While there, taken ill, but obviously EHC no longer valid, had you taken out medical insurance, or left paying the bill in full yourself.

The list goes on and on, and is not just as simple as we'll do want we want you have to fall in line.

Too late! Load of worst case scenario pure speculation. Can't you realise that Project Fear was before the referendum, and is now redundant.



It didn't work anyway!