Thunder Bolt
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The key word is openly. A lot of our security force work undercover.
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[News] Lorry attack in Nice
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The key word is openly. A lot of our security force work undercover.
clippedgull
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Of course, but the point in question was that regular cops were not able to freely patrol.
It might be, but that's only a fair reaction to a point. I shall explain:
The reason the French are more susceptible to attack from Muslims is that we have historically been far more tolerant than the French. Problems in France go back decades. As recently as 1961, the French national police massacred loads of Algerians on the banks of the Seine (40 dead officially, 200+ unofficially) while Algerians clamoured for independence. Stuff like that runs deep - we've seen it in Northern Ireland where, and I'm not debating who was at fault here but, Bloody Sunday succeeded in driving hundreds of non-politicised Catholics into the hands of the PIRA because of the perception that British troops slaughtered 12 innocent Catholic civilians.
In the French world, there are always two ways of doing things: the French way and the wrong way. They don't preach tolerance as a nation in the same way we do. We have our faults obviously, but that isn't one of them. The result for us is a relative peace dividend, which continues to pay out despite our often repugnant foreign policy compared to theirs.
If we were less tolerant and suffered the level of attrocities the French are suffering, I'd probably agree. But we are more tolerant, and we haven't suffered to the same level recently.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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where? is this a fact or an internet fact?
I think Billingshurst must be a no-go area... we never see bobbies on the beat round here
clippedgull
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It was a piece on SKY News a few weeks back when Trump made his claim. An MP was basically calling the Met Commander an apologist for Sharia law. He claimed that some police officers had admitted to him that Trump was on the money.
Desperate stuff. It really is. Very sad.
That may be a factor but the main reason Muslim animals attack France, as they have stated, is because it is a hedonistic, extremely liberal country whose citizens openly admit to enjoying casual sex, wine, feasting and importantly, it's a very cultural country that encourages free speech and gaiety and is fervently against censorship.
Despite the fact that most of these murderers gamble, shag prostitutes, drink and feast on prohibited meats whenever they get the chance, the French way of life is all the Islam stands against.
The UK doesn't get attacked as much down to geography and our tried and tested security services. And that sweaty who punched a terrorist who was on fire before kicking him in the clackers. That probably put a few of the camel ****ers off trying.
- Apr 13, 2015
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My reaction to your post went from laughter to agreement and to something in between ........
Sounds like the latter. Personally if there was an area that some seemed no go cos of the Muslamic ray guns I'd get armed police apt rolling it 24/7, show em whose country it is.
But from the point of view of a very foreign-minded religious extremist, French culture isn't noticeably different from English or German or Italian, so why have the French suffered more than those? So I don't think your trite comments really explain anything beyond your own pre-held beliefs about that religion.
clippedgull
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Not sure that a particular area was mentioned on SKY. From memory it was 'parts of London'
Not trite, serous points with a bit of humour. Not letting the terrorists get me down. That means no disrespect to thaw who have died at their hands . There is actually a huge, historically perceived difference between French and English culture.
Paris was attacked because it is the European capital of hedonism. This has been acknowledged by ISIS and security services.
Yes, the French's intolerance has a part to play but it's not the biggest factor.
Please do not turn a somber thread into a slanging match.
Hillian1
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Has Kay Burley tweeted a picture of a sad animal yet?
crodonilson
He/Him
I don't usually get involved in this sort of debate but I have a real life experience of this.
My father in law was attacked in East Ham earlier this year by a bunch of muslim youths who basically said white people weren't welcome in the area, he got a bit of a beating and then told to drive away from the area pronto. He subsequently reported this to the local police station where he was essentially told that the police wouldn't be doing anything and he should have known better than to be in that area when it was dark. The below was a blog on the internet, how much is true I don't know but does tally with what I have heard first hand and very worrying.
Earlier this year in the east London boroughs of Tower Hamlets, Waltham Forest and Newham, posters suddenly sprouted in the streets declaring: ‘You are entering a Sharia controlled zone. Islamic rules enforced.’ Underneath were images indicating that smoking, alcohol and music were banned. Also this year posters declaring Tower Hamlets a ‘gay-free zone’ were put up across the borough. Police and local councillors declared that they would take all such posters down.
Now, however, it seems that the threatening implications of self-declared ‘Muslim areas’ are spreading into the heart of our democracy.
Last Friday Mike Freer, MP for Finchley and Golders Green, was forced to abandon his constituency surgery at the North Finchley mosque and hide in a locked part of the building when a group of activists from the ‘Muslims against Crusades’ group forced their way in. The Daily Mail reported that Mr Freer, a gay man and a member of Conservative Friends of Israel, said he was called a ‘Jewish homosexual pig’.
In fact, Mr Freer said he only realised that the danger he was in possibly went beyond such abuse when was he made aware that ahead of this incident the group had posted up a reference to the attack last year on East Ham MP StephenTimms, who was stabbed by a Muslim woman while he too was holding a constituency surgery. This message warned
‘the attack on Mr Timms should serve as a “piercing reminder” to politicians that “their presence is no longer welcome in any Muslim area”’.
The message also stated that
‘“as a member of the Conservative Party”, Mr Freer “has the blood of thousands of Muslims on his hands”.’
Mr Freer, who also happens to be a member of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Islamophobia (the ironies attending politically-correct ideology are rich indeed) was apparently targeted because he had demanded that Palestinian extremist Sheikh Raed Salah be banned from Britain earlier this year.
Understandably, Mr Freer now wants the Home Office to investigate ‘Muslims against Crusades’. But rather more pertinently, shouldn’t some arrests have been made? For by any standards this was threatening behaviour which intimidated an MP into being unable to carry out his constituency duties.
Effectively, therefore, the North Finchley mosque became a no-go area for this MP. This surely represented not only a threat to Mr Freer as an individual but to parliamentary democracy itself. More chilling still, it would seem that for ‘Muslims Against Crusades’ Finchley is now to be regarded as a Muslim area – presumably on the grounds that any area with a sizeable Muslim population is to be thus regarded -- and its inhabitants subjected as a result to Islamist intimidation.
Finchley happens to be home to a significant Jewish community which will now feel particularly vulnerable. But in fact everyone now comes under potential threat – including Muslims themselves -- as can be seen from what has taken place in east London.
For the posters there did not represent empty threats. The process of Islamisation through intimidation is well under way.
Earlier this year, four Tower Hamlets Muslims were jailed for at least 19 years for attacking a local white teacher who gave religious studies lessons to Muslim girls. An Asian woman – not a practising Muslim -- who worked in a pharmacy was threatened with her life unless she wore a headscarf or veil. And as Andrew Gilligan has reported, many more such Islamist attacks are taking place – which he claims the police are downplaying for fear of being accused of racism:
‘The Sunday Telegraph has uncovered more than a dozen other cases in Tower Hamlets where both Muslims and non-Muslims have been threatened or beaten for behaviour deemed to breach fundamentalist “Islamic norms.”
‘One victim, Mohammed Monzur Rahman, said he was left partially blind and with a dislocated shoulder after being attacked by a mob in Cannon Street Road, Shadwell, for smoking during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan last year.
‘... Teachers in several local schools have told The Sunday Telegraph that they feel “under pressure” from local Muslim extremists, who have mounted campaigns through both parents and pupils – and, in one case, through another teacher - to enforce the compulsory wearing of the veil for Muslim girls.
‘... Tower Hamlets’ gay community has become a particular target of extremists. Homophobic crimes in the borough have risen by 80 per cent since 2007/8, and by 21 per cent over the last year, a period when there was a slight drop in London as a whole.’
Such reports are – to put it mildly -- deeply disturbing. Yet from the ‘progressive’ chattering class and the politicians (embattled Labour MP Jim Fitzpatrick being a notable exception with his stark warning that Islamists wanting to create an “Islamic social and political order” in Britain have infiltrated the Labour party), the response has been...silence.
An interview on the BBC today said the main factor is that the French intelligent Services just arent as good or as far reaching as many others, the driving factor is supposedly if you ask the French which would you prefer 'privacy' or 'greater security' they choose privacy every time ....
- Apr 13, 2015
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This sir should form the starting point of any discussion about the origins or motivations behind radical Islam and it's terrorist activities against western targets on particular..... it's a very central point.
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Tunisians make up the most foreign fighters fighting for Isis.More than Saudis depending on what source you believe. Morocco also has a lot of fighters with Isis. Not convinced it has much to do with France's past.with Algerians. As pointed out France is a very tolerant country
Why is there big support from north African countries fighting for Isis?