[Politics] Brexit

[Triggaaar]

The current system is, unless you have an agreement for free movement - both ways (ala Scandinavian countries) you cannot reside and work in an EU country if you are not a member. Unless an agreement is reached with the EU, UK citizens will be under the same conditions as IS, Chinese and Australians for example. The UK will also have to agree to allow currently resident EU nationals the right to remain and work. This will be complex and hard to agree in detail.

I am assuming we are ok for 2 years, but after that all bets are off, it will be done to the euro sceptics to negotiate with a europe that currently hates them.

But that's not what you said. You said it is a fact that they don't currently need permits, and a fact that they will.

It's not a fact! I imagine we will negotiate a deal that allows those people to work here without a permit. It is essential for both the EU and the UK that we do.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Has world war 3 started yet?

Not yet.

The Kremlin is too busy having a party.

 

[Gullflyinghigh]

perhaps it was this kind of personal abuse that contributed to the result...

That would be a worrying way for people to make decisions.

 

[greyseagull]

Kill me now

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Lot of very bad losers on here today,with lots of abuse (divs,mongs,racists etc) but still some very funny posts,as well.Best one so far is from some idiot bewailing the fact he wouldn't be able to play his guitar in Europe now
Wonder how the Beatles ever got to play in Hamburg?Mark you,he probably knows as little history as some of the other silly people on here!

I haven't seen any abuse on here this morning. If you notice somebody posting abuse at other users, please report it to the moderators, for attention.

(A note for you - stating that 'anyone who fell for the £350m lie' is a gullible div, does not constitute abuse)

 

[Ex-Staffs Gull]

But that's not what you said. You said it is a fact that they don't currently need permits, and a fact that they will.

It's not a fact! I imagine we will negotiate a deal that allows those people to work here without a permit. It is essential for both the EU and the UK that we do.

No, the fact is that if nothing is agreed, the above applies. Yes something may be agreed, but as it currently stands, without an agreement freedom of movement and work ceases for all those who do not hold a uk passport or work permit.

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[Prince Monolulu]

Taking it on the chin I see.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

 

[maffew]

Thats me ****ed

 

[Two Professors]

I haven't seen any abuse on here this morning. If you notice somebody posting abuse at other users, please report it to the moderators, for attention.

(A note for you - stating that 'anyone who fell for the £350m lie' is a gullible div, does not constitute abuse)

 

[Triggaaar]

Really? Just how much will house prices have to fall to make them properly affordable to the many young people wanting to own their own home without also plunging many "decent, real" people into negative equity? Let's not even think about large increases in interest rates. Sure, many home owners can ride a drop of 10% even 20% for a few years but that's not nearly enough to make housing truly affordable. What will leaving do about the many young people that are caught in a trap where high rents are preventing them from saving.

I really hope I am wrong but this is a great example of where the rhetoric of the Leave campaign has hoodwinked people into thinking that by voting leave somehow they are voting for a system that will be more equitable for all

You're saying that the leave campaign were telling people to vote out as it would make house prices crash? I missed that, and it wouldn't have affected my vote.

I'm not worried that the sky is going to fall down, we will move on. But I don't for one minute think that we shall get anything near the level of benefits promised by Leave and suspect there will still be masses of disillusioned people 5 years, 10 years down the line.

Obviously politicians on both sides would have been exaggerating the possible benefits of voting with them.

Interesting to see some folks who got so worked up over this topic they actually got banned now calling for calm and telling people what is and isn't mature behaviour.

They've seen the error of their ways, they're life reformed smokers.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Bye bye, Scotland.

 

[The Clamp]

Taking it on the chin I see.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

To be fair It was public pressure that got the referendum happening to begin with. I do think this type of thing is pretty pointless though, we've just got to get on with it now and make the best of what is, in my 'umble, an unmitigated disaster.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

If you can tell me the certain future, then it wont have been a gamble I guess..

no I cant but then I also couldn't have done at any point in the past. Life changes, institutions change and people's views change. We never had an option of voting for the status quo. The EU is constantly evolving and one thing I can suggest to you is that there has been no consensus on the Remain side around a certain future within the EU. The EU doesn't even know that ! Look, I can understand why you voted the way you did. There was a time when I would have voted the same way but the EU project has departed from that for which I could have voted. Any certainty I felt 10 years ago about the future within the EU has gone so at the least you can maybe understand why the gamble/uncertainty argument cuts both ways.

 

[Ex-Staffs Gull]

Negotiation is going to be handled by the incumbent government government and civil service, so it's most likely going to a majority of europhiles. It's two years from when they invoke article 50. I think most will agree that's a good thing.

Article 50 will not be invoked until a new pm is in place. This is the euro sceptic Conservatives we are talking about.

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[ManOfSussex]

Not yet.

The Kremlin is too busy having a party.

Be quite a party for them.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Well Scotland have already told us to stick our love

 

[Jim D]

What we needed

 

[Farehamseagull]

Sad. Angry. Worried.

 

[Triggaaar]

EU will take a very hard line with us in negotiations, they don't want other member states to think that anyone leaving gets an easy ride.

And we have to take a hard line with them. It's vital for the UK that we have leaders with balls right now. Europe need the UK, don't let anyone forget that. We have to have a deal that is close to the current deal, we must not get bullied.

No, the fact is that if nothing is agreed, the above applies. Yes something may be agreed, but as it currently stands, without an agreement freedom of movement and work ceases for all those who do not hold a uk passport or work permit.

I'm sorry, but that's a silly thing to say. Of course a deal will be agreed. You could equally say that as things stand, everyone is going to die of starvation, unless they eat some food.

 

[Simster]

Not really. I was concerned before the vote. I was concerned that if we'd stayed we'd be part of a failing EU and that one day it would cost us, and I knew that if we left there would be a period of uncertainty. We might have a recession because of last night's vote, something I thought about before voting. But last night's vote will shape our country for the rest of my life, and I didn't want to base such a big decision on the short term consequences.

You're embarrassing yourself. Because nothing screams pro-Europe more than becoming the first country to vote OUT of the European trading bloc.

And when the Scots vote to separate from England, that'll DEFINITELY show the world how much they stand side by side with us.