[Politics] Brexit

[Deleted member 22389]

Which is what it's starting to look like.

Did we honestly expect anything different towards the end, quite frankly the whole referendum has been appalling.

If we could do this again, I wouldn't have any political parties involved whatsoever, I would have just created one big booklet created by a TRUE independant source that contained all the information people needed to form a proper decision, instead of voting off the back of goverment spin, and the government calling in favours getting organisations to sign letters of support, for their own pockets.

This country is lost.

 

[beorhthelm]

"Xavier Rolet, chief executive of the London Stock Exchange, has said that as many as 100,000 City jobs could be lost if Britain left the EU in a private meeting with David Cameron, linked to moving the clearing of euro-denominated securities out of London."

the same Xavier Rolet pressing ahead with a merger between LSE and Deutsche Borse. he doesnt seem to have much concern of the uncertainty and impact around leave/remain outcomes when it comes to the day dob.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

There is just no point in wasting your time and energy, people just don't want to see it. You can only hope that if we Remain, the EU situation gets so bad that they have no other choice but to reform which is highly unlikely.

For me a once in a lifetime opportunity is possibly going to be flushed down the toilet. I would never insult my fellow NSC posters who want to Remain, it is their call but personally I think they are making a big mistake, and have fallen in to the trap of listening to all the government spin.

Lots are voting over the personalities of people rather than the real issues which is wrong, and some parts of the media and government are deliberately painting unfair pictures of what Leaving would suppodesly look like to suit their own political agenda and scare people in to voting Remain.

so, if we believe something different to you we're a bit stupid, making a big mistake and have been conned. But if we agree with you we're not. I get it.

 

[El Presidente]

I'm leaving NSC until Friday, it's gone feral.

Maldini is leaving NSC too, although less willingly than yourself, for his spectacularly crass comments.

Robust arguments are fine, disagreeing with others but respecting their views the same, (NSC is after all the home of the binfest) but there's a limit to decency, and he didn't put a toe over it, he put a kangaroo's juimp over it.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

the same Xavier Rolet pressing ahead with a merger between LSE and Deutsche Borse. he doesnt seem to have much concern of the uncertainty and impact around leave/remain outcomes when it comes to the day dob.

No, he wouldn't, because either outcome won't affect this merger.

 

[melias shoes]

so, if we believe something different to you we're a bit stupid, making a big mistake and have been conned. But if we agree with you we're not. I get it.

The same could be said of both sides.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

so, if we believe something different to you we're a bit stupid, making a big mistake and have been conned. But if we agree with you we're not. I get it.

I didn't call anyone stupid in my post and I said I respect NSC users. I would never call people stupid, it is wrong.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I didn't call anyone stupid in my post and I said I respect NSC users. I would never call people stupid directly, it is wrong.

Not directly, no. But your post certainly alludes to this with your suggestion that we cannot see beyond the spin and personalities.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Not directly, no. But your post certainly alludes to this with your suggestion that we cannot see beyond the spin and personalities.

I'm cutting this thread short, I can see where we are heading. If there are NSC users out there that might have been offended, I am sorry.

 

[Jim in the West]

For me a once in a lifetime opportunity is possibly going to be flushed down the toilet. I would never insult my fellow NSC posters who want to Remain, it is their call but personally I think they are making a big mistake, and have fallen in to the trap of listening to all the government spin.

Lots are voting over the personalities of people rather than the real issues which is wrong, and some parts of the media and government are deliberately painting unfair pictures of what Leaving would suppodesly look like to suit their own political agenda and scare people in to voting Remain.

bashlsdir, don't be too depressed - if we vote Remain on Thursday there will always be another opportunity to get out. Parliament can vote to Leave at any point (we don't need a Referendum). Obviously a vote in the House of Commons at the moment would result in an overwhelming Remain vote (over 400 MPs are in favour of remaining). But that might not always be the case. You could easily imagine a scenario where the EU did NOT reform, where Turkey miraculously met all its conditions and was fast-tracked, etc, etc, and the 2020 General Election was run on the basis of an "Out" campaign. If the post-2020 House of Commons comprised a majority of Brexiteers, then they could just hold a vote, and we'd be out. So, I think the reverse is true - if we vote Leave we will never be able to get back in, but if we vote Remain, we will always have the option to leave in the future.

And, just to reassure you, I am not one of those who have just listened to the government spin. For what its worth my two motivations are (a) I want the UK to be outward-looking, compassionate, welcoming, a nation that embraces change, and a part of Europe; (b) I read the FT every day, and have been convinced by the economic arguments of many people much cleverer than me. What the government has said hasn't swayed me one iota.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

The PM can't say that Turkish membership will be straight-up vetoed because that's not how you conduct international politics.

And he gave a speech in Turkey saying he would fully support their membership application ......

 

[T soprano]

The Bookies odds are tipping more to staying now

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Did we honestly expect anything different towards the end, quite frankly the whole referendum has been appalling.

If we could do this again, I wouldn't have any political parties involved whatsoever, I would have just created one big booklet created by a TRUE independant source that contained all the information people needed to form a proper decision, instead of voting off the back of goverment spin, and the government calling in favours getting organisations to sign letters of support, for their own pockets.

This country is lost.

Agreed! Total farce

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[Wrong-Direction]

This is a vote in a lifetime remember!?
Is it? I thought we lived in a democracy?
Oh yeah that's right, we're just made to feel like we're getting our voices heard whilst the elite go about their "business"

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[heathgate]

What's this? Surely not another right wing reactionary comment from the Leave camp?

"We support migration. Britain is a multicultural and diverse success story. The way to maintain that and to maintain support for migration and for refugees is to reassure people that we control numbers.” - Michael Gove

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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I am not defending and one, I am still undecided. i do know that the lies are not just confined to one side, you seem quick to point out the lies on the leave, and use it to scare the undecided, makes you no different in my opinion.
Look at the leaflet it's not implying that they will join the EU, but what it is doing is highlighting the fact that they border Turkey and I would assume that they think once in Turkey and with an open border to the west, that they will come in through Turkey and then into Europe. As a undecided I can see for myself the scaremongering on both sides and think they are as bad as each other. Politicians no longer debate, they just scare people. The general election was about the SNP getting power along a Labour government. The London Mayors election was about who Khan was linked with and did we want a mayor like that. Whatever happens on Thursday, we will still have a conservative government and UKIP will have no more or less say in the running of this country as they have now. My gut feeling is that the remain will win, however if leave won the vote, I still believe that we will still be the EU, as a deal will be done that the great British people will be happy with and not doubt overwhelming vote for. The sad thing about all of this is that politics has taken a big step backwards and I wonder how much voter apathy will be around in future

Hold your horses. I received a piece of 'official' material about the referendum on here, on a day when campaigning was supposed to be suspended. When I read it I found it was a disgraceful and misleading pack of lies. A poster asked me to scan it and upload. I am sorry that I don't have to hand any equally mendacious crap from the other camp to scan and post, but if you have some do feel free to post it.

 

[portslade seagull]

Not directly, no. But your post certainly alludes to this with your suggestion that we cannot see beyond the spin and personalities.

HT are you on a personal vendetta against any leave supporter looking at your posts it seems you are

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

I'm leaving NSC until Friday, it's gone feral.

I'm not opening any NSC Referendum threads until Friday at the earliest from after this post.

The rest of NSC is still fine !

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

If you don;t like my post's then get lost and don't read them.

I quite aware the husband's tweet was BEEEEEEEFORE his wife was killed.Why the hell is the Mail reporting what he tweeted.
Do you think it's even fair on the husband.It's not.

If I don't like your posts then I might still read them. And I might comment on them. The reply above is contextually disconnected from your original post and my comment on it. I have yet to see any evidence that you can construct a reasoned argument. And if I wish to make this comment, I will do so.

 

[portslade seagull]

All the exiters on here know your viewpoints,you have no problems with mass immigration.
thats fair enough......its what you want and its what you will get if we stay in

you are pleased with the 300,000 per year at the moment,but what figure would it take for you to say thats enough

400,000 per year
500,000 per year
750,000 per year
1000000 per year

do you actually have a limit?

Not sure he cares as it seems he is only worried about money like most of the city