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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?

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LlcoolJ

LlcoolJ

Mama said knock you out.
Oct 14, 2009
12,982
Sheffield
5ways said:
At least he can claim divine intervention, I haven't seen any earthly plans that explain why Brexit won't tank the economy :yawn:
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Economists are generally useless and completely pointless because there are always half saying one thing and half saying the other. A lot like politicians.

It's because they either have no idea what they're talking about or they have vested interests, or both.

The ONLY time they are worth listening to is when they ALL say the same thing because they will ALL look stupid if they are WRONG.

The reason they ALL agree on this is because they are dealing with FACTS rather than their usual diet of what if's.

Leave only has what if's. Just like Alex Salmond. And he was wrong. #oilprice
 




Buzzer

Buzzer

Languidly Clinical
Oct 1, 2006
26,121
LlcoolJ said:
The reason they ALL agree on this is because they are dealing with FACTS rather than their usual diet of what if's.
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Eh? Capitalising the word fact doesn't make it..err...fact :) (excuse the pun). I'm sorry to labour the point but when making predictions about Brexit, none of them on either side are stating facts. It's simply impossible for a prediction to be a fact and by its very nature, it's based on "what if Britain voted Brexit". You choose to believe one side and I choose to believe another and both of us have senior and well-respected economists we can cite but both are forecasts based on the same "what if".
 


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5ways

Well-known member
Sep 18, 2012
2,217
JC Footy Genius said:
I will concede he is more likely to be right about his beliefs than economists are likely to be right about their predictions. :angel:
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...guide-to-britains-greatest-enemy-the-experts/
 




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5ways

Well-known member
Sep 18, 2012
2,217
Buzzer said:
Claims Leave campaign is not serious, made up of silly scare stories and irrelevant info. Posts trite, unfunny memes.

How's that moral high ground working out for you?
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What this demonstrates is that if you have no facts and cannot provide an argument against 90% of economic thought you instead can attack the character of those making the claim. I'm sure economists will be tarred as un-British next. It is an appeal to a mob mentality that takes pride in its own ignorance. It is funny but also worrying because it's accurate; Leave is saying that 2+2=5. Or rather that £136m = £350m.
 




Buzzer

Buzzer

Languidly Clinical
Oct 1, 2006
26,121
5ways said:
What this demonstrates is that if you cannot rubbish the facts and cannot provide an argument against 90% of economists opinions you can attack the character of those making the claim. I'm sure economists will be tarred as un-British next. It is an appeal to a mob mentality that takes pride in its own ignorance. It is funny but also worrying because it's accurate, Leave is saying that 2+2=5. Or that £130m = £350m.
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'kin hell. Waffle, waffle, ignore the point, waffle, waffle. You ask for a serious debate, claim the moral high ground but half the time you're just trying to score points with these desperately unfunny posts.

And yet again but probably not for the last time there are no facts about Brexit, only forecasts. I honestly struggle to see what's so difficult to understand about that. Seriously, do you not get why? Maybe this will help:

Herr Tubthumper said:
This seems like you're weaselling out of your statement. You can't portray a forecast as a fact. Only an idiot needs to be told a forecast isn't a fact.
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Soulman

New member
Oct 22, 2012
10,966
Sompting
EU referendum postal voting packs go missing

Durham County Council said it has informed the Electoral Commission and local police of 457 voting packs that have disappeared. The packs were intended for people either living abroad or on holiday during the referendum, with voters raising fears they will now not be able to return their votes in time.
The Northern Echo quotes Trevor Thompson, a former resident of County Durham who has emigrated to Australia, as saying: “I voted in the referendum in the early 1970s and after spending most of my life living and working under the result of that referendum was passionate about having my vote in the upcoming referendum. “It looks as if I have been denied this right.”
“Both my wife and myself checked several weeks ago to make sure we were registered to vote on this issue and were assured everything was in hand and we registered,” he added. “I am fuming over it.” A spokeswoman for Durham County Council’s referendum counting office said: “Following an internal investigation, we concluded that the ballot packs had been printed and issued as planned by our external contractors, but had not been delivered to the recipients.”
“On Tuesday those ballots, which had been issued on May 23, were invalidated and fresh packs re-issued. “We understand that some of these packs have now been delivered and that the rest should follow in the coming days.” The missing packs are the latest blow for the increasingly controversial voting process in Britain’s referendum.
Only the other day we saw how the government is specifically targeting under-35s in its drive to get more people to register to vote – a demographic seen as primarily pro-Remain. Screenshots show that the Prime Minister is using his own tax payer funded Facebook page to target younger voters, meaning his claim to simply be trying to register as many people to vote as possible is false. The UK government website that deals with voter registration has seen a 2.5 million surge in voter registrations in the past 30 days, higher than at any General Election.
 


dingodan

dingodan

New member
Feb 16, 2011
10,080
Contrary to what professional economists will typically tell you, economics is not a science. All economic theories have underlying political and ethical assumptions, which make it impossible to prove them right or wrong in the way we can with theories in physics or chemistry...

...Given this, it is entirely possible for people who are not professional economists to have sound judgments on economic issues, based on some knowledge of key economic theories and appreciation of the political and ethical assumptions underlying various theories. Very often, the judgments by ordinary citizens may be better than those by professional economists, being more rooted in reality and less narrowly focused.

Indeed, willingness to challenge professional economists and other experts is a foundation stone of democracy. If all we have to do is to listen to the experts, what is the point of having democracy?

What this means is that, as citizens in a democracy, all of us have the duty to learn at least some economics and engage in economic debates. This is not as difficult as it may seem...most of economics can be understood by anyone with a secondary education, if it is explained accessibly.

The economy is too important to be left to professional economists (and that includes me). As citizens, we should all learn economics and challenge what the professionals tell us to believe.

- Ha-Joon Chang

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/economics-experts-economists

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One Love

Well-known member
Aug 22, 2011
4,377
Brighton
OMG you lot are seriously obsessed about something that is completely out of your control.

What a complete waste of your time and energy.
 




Wrong-Direction

Wrong-Direction

Well-known member
Mar 10, 2013
13,429
One Love said:
OMG you lot are seriously obsessed about something that is completely out of your control.

What a complete waste of your time and energy.
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Finally I have an ally

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heathgate

heathgate

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Apr 13, 2015
3,484
"Over 3 million jobs are linked to our trade with the EU." The economist from whose work this figure was taken, Dr Martin Weale, has said: "In many years of academic research, I cannot recall such a wilful distortion of the facts."

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TomandJerry

Well-known member
Oct 1, 2013
11,540
My questions ro remain voters

Would you still be remain if Turkey joined the EU in the next ten years? Or does uncontrolled immigration not bother you?

And also, to house all the new migrants from Turkey etc I assume more green land would be concreted over at a faster rate..are you happy with that as well?

Do you think our infrastructure cope?
NHS, train system, London underground etc etc

And would you be happy with a Muslim majority in the UK?

I'm not saying it will happen...

And I haven't decided which way I am voting yet
 


sjamesb3466

sjamesb3466

Well-known member
Jan 31, 2009
5,182
Leicester
I can't see Turkey being allowed in the EU for decades due to their human rights record and increasing support for reducing the rights of non Muslims. If they were let in the I would assume that massive improvements would have to be made and if this was the case I wouldn't have a problem with it.

I think the NHS, transport, schools etc need investment whatever happens and blaming immigration is simply a ploy to cover up huge gaps in our public spending, but no I don't believe we could currently cope with our existing infrastructure.

I wouldn't have a problem with a Muslim majority. Integration is the problem, no specifically the religion. Personally I would like to see all religions disappear as they all just divide people and spread hatred despite all preaching peace.
 










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