[Politics] Brexit

[Steve in Japan]

Jiggerypokery is my favorite kind of pokery.

Steady!!

 

[melias shoes]

James Dyson joins the brexit campaign. That's the self made billionaire. Branding the remain warnings on trade as 'Absolute Cobblers'.

 

[Soulman]

Remember this..... until he developed the backbone of a jellyfish.

"The EU takes away from national parliaments the power to set economic policy and hands it over to an unelected set of bankers..." - Jeremy Corbyn

 

[drew]

James Dyson joins the brexit campaign. That's the self made billionaire. Branding the remain warnings on trade as 'Absolute Cobblers'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36505735

Did you actually read the story? His reasons seem very odd. He claims that by being members of the EU means exporters have to adapt products to cater for different languages and different types of plug! Shock horror, surely you need to do that whether you're selling in the EU or selling anywhere else in the world. No good trying to sell your products to a far eastern market if they can't plug the damn thing in and can't read the instructions.

He claims he can't get the people he wants because it takes the home office four and half months to process a visa request? If we have a points based system, will it take any less time. According to this website, it can take between 6 and 12 months to get a work visa for Australia? http://www.workpermit.com/australia/skilled/faq.htm

Let's not forget that Dyson couldn't give too hoots for British workers when he moved his production to Malaysia! Probably the cheaper production costs contributed to his wealth of £3b!

 

[melias shoes]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ed-remain-camp-plans-to-take-out-boris-as-po/

This is where I got my information. They are also targeting Boris Johnson in personal attacks. Desperate measures. It seemed to start on the itv debate the other night. The bit about Dyson is half way down the page.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Remember this..... until he developed the backbone of a jellyfish.

"The EU takes away from national parliaments the power to set economic policy and hands it over to an unelected set of bankers..." - Jeremy Corbyn

Did he mean bankers or "bankers"?

 

[beorhthelm]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36505735

Did you actually read the story? His reasons seem very odd. He claims that by being members of the EU means exporters have to adapt products to cater for different languages and different types of plug! Shock horror, surely you need to do that whether you're selling in the EU or selling anywhere else in the world. No good trying to sell your products to a far eastern market if they can't plug the damn thing in and can't read the instructions.

its not a direct quote is it, the BBC have dumbed down and lost the nuance in the process. he is saying that the benefits of the single market are diminished due to the regionalisation work you still have to do. the cost this would differ between products and may not completly outweigh the cost of tariffs, but its a factor overlooked. generally he's saying we have a half way house that pretends to be a single market with no tariffs and a raft of regulation, but not fully harmonised, so you still have many of the costs.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Well for me, this debate has been a big win for vote leave. The vote remain team are embarassing to listen to.

You don't find equating the European Union with the Fourth Reich and suggesting that Hermann Goering dreamt up its name embarrassing?

 

[dingodan]

You don't find equating the European Union with the Fourth Reich and suggesting that Hermann Goering dreamt up its name embarrassing?

I missed that part of the debate. & I watched it twice.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I missed that part of the debate. & I watched it twice.

Ah. My mistake. Apologies. The context wasn't clear to me. When you said 'this debate' I thought you meant this debate. What do you think of the Nazi stuff btw?

 

[dingodan]

Ah. My mistake. Apologies. The context wasn't clear to me. When you said 'this debate' I thought you meant this debate. What do you think of the Nazi stuff btw?

I think that you have to be descerning about what was said any why. Nobody is saying that the EU is "like Hitler". But it has been said that the aim of the EU, to create a united and centralized Europe has been tried many times historically before, including by Hitler. We reject the idea and always have. We reject it being done by force and violence, but we also reject it being done by politics, economics and stealth too.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

Remember this..... until he developed the backbone of a jellyfish.

"The EU takes away from national parliaments the power to set economic policy and hands it over to an unelected set of bankers..." - Jeremy Corbyn

The silver lining if we Brexit, the anti everything vote gains popularity and Labour with Corbyn in charge win the next election. He will then be shackles free to bring in much needed changes to the system (why he is a Brexiter) Pure sovereign power with few checks and balances to take us in a fairer society.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

I think that you have to be descerning about what was said any why. Nobody is saying that the EU is "like Hitler". But it has been said that the aim of the EU, to create a united and centralized Europe has been tried many times historically before, including by Hitler. We reject the idea and always have. We reject it being done by force and violence, but we also reject it being done by politics, economics and stealth too.

Well the screen shot you have posted clearly says on my screen 'Boris Johnson says EU has same aim as Hitler' thats pretty offensive and you would struggle to see how a current EU dreamt up by the victors and survivors of the World War has those aims, but instead a believe that we could stop nationalism and the create a system where we all communicate and resolve our differences,

 

[dingodan]

Well the screen shot you have posted clearly says on my screen 'Boris Johnson says EU has same aim as Hitler' thats pretty offensive and you would struggle to see how a current EU dreamt up by the victors and survivors of the World War has those aims, but instead a believe that we could stop nationalism and the create a system where we all communicate and resolve our differences,

(It's a video, rather than a screenshot)

Two points. Point one, don't read headlines, read direct quotes, they are often different.

Point two, take a look at the rise of nationalism accross Europe in recent years, to what extent do the circumstances created by the EU prevent nationalism? To what extent do they inadvertently forster and encourage nationalism?

There is a serious problem accross the EU with the rise of the far right and dispite the best intentions of the EU, the rise of the far right in Europe is happening because of the EU and it's policies.

 

[Boy Blue]

Ayesbury today. In/out.

 

[drew]

(It's a video, rather than a screenshot)

Two points. Point one, don't read headlines, read direct quotes, they are often different.

Point two, take a look at the rise of nationalism accross Europe in recent years, to what extent do the circumstances created by the EU prevent nationalism? To what extent do they inadvertently forster and encourage nationalism?

There is a serious problem accross the EU with the rise of the far right and dispite the best intentions of the EU, the rise of the far right in Europe is happening because of the EU and it's policies.

Surely the point is that references to Hitler are designed to create an association that sticks in the mind of some voters. Not those that read beyond headlines but for those that don't because a vote is a vote and they (and probably the remain camp) aren't too fussed how they get it.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Surely the point is that references to Hitler are designed to create an association that sticks in the mind of some voters. Not those that read beyond headlines but for those that don't because a vote is a vote and they (and probably the remain camp) aren't too fussed how they get it.

Correct. Boris knew what he was saying, knew what he was doing, and knew who he was aiming for with his Hitler comments.

The idea of a Brexit and Boris and Gove running the Uk fills me with utter horror. Remain if it's just to keep these two at bay.

 

[drew]

its not a direct quote is it, the BBC have dumbed down and lost the nuance in the process. he is saying that the benefits of the single market are diminished due to the regionalisation work you still have to do. the cost this would differ between products and may not completly outweigh the cost of tariffs, but its a factor overlooked. generally he's saying we have a half way house that pretends to be a single market with no tariffs and a raft of regulation, but not fully harmonised, so you still have many of the costs.

Isn't the point that whatever overseas market you are selling in you have to adapt to the nuances of that market, whether it be the instruction manual in a different language, a different plug size or differing safey requirements. It probably didn't help his mood that he lost a major legal battle with the EU last November!!!

Finally, it's a bit rich him going on about creating jobs when he has shifted jobs over to Malaysia!!

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Isn't the point that whatever overseas market you are selling in you have to adapt to the nuances of that market, whether it be the instruction manual in a different language, a different plug size or differing safey requirements. It probably didn't help his mood that he lost a major legal battle with the EU last November!!!

Finally, it's a bit rich him going on about creating jobs when he has shifted jobs over to Malaysia!!

Quite. He's a hypocrit and holds grudges. I'm slinging my Dyson.

 

[portslade seagull]

Correct. Boris knew what he was saying, knew what he was doing, and knew who he was aiming for with his Hitler comments.

The idea of a Brexit and Boris and Gove running the Uk fills me with utter horror. Remain if it's just to keep these two at bay.

Give it a rest your like a broken record