Brexit impact on overseas player signings

[BigGully]

I am talking about employees from the EU. Making it a points system complicates things when our Border Force/Home office cannot cope now. This government has run the Civil Service down to skeleton staff in all departments.

Whats complicated about protecting our borders, you cannot possibly say 'because it complicates things' as if then it shouldnt be done, the current staff have very little incentive to cope, its pretty much an open border, they might restrict 20, whilst waving through 330 000.

 

[BigGully]

Interesting assertion.

On a related note, I'm currently at a conference on world trade. It opened with a debate on BREXIT, and at the outset 71% of the room (200 senior professionals from various corporations) were in the 'Remain' camp. After an hour-long discussion between those officially representing for and against, the vote was retaken: 85% were in favour of remaining.

Ergo, those intimately involved with trade don't want to leave, nevermind negotiating a new set of deals with individual countries over an elongated period of time.

You would have had the same outcome on a debate about us joining the Euro, so its of little use really, I hope you had a nice buffet .........

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Whats complicated about protecting our borders, you cannot possibly say 'because it complicates things' as if then it shouldnt be done, the current staff have very little incentive to cope, its pretty much an open border, they might restrict 20, whilst waving through 330 000.

No amount of incentives can make a difference. It's staff, people, more bodies who are needed. But lets pile more and more work onto them eh?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

You would have had the same outcome on a debate about us joining the Euro, so its of little use really, I hope you had a nice buffet .........

Er no, businesses were generally against joining the Euro, which was a major reason why we didn't.

 

[Notters]

Whats complicated about protecting our borders, you cannot possibly say 'because it complicates things' as if then it shouldnt be done, the current staff have very little incentive to cope, its pretty much an open border, they might restrict 20, whilst waving through 330 000.

But you realise that the majority of those 330,000 are non-EU right?

 

[AK74]

I hope you had a nice buffet .........

Very nice, thanks for asking.

 

[marshy68]

I wonder how it will affect players already under contract?

My limited understanding is that any changes to immigration law would not be retrospective. Also there would be a 2/3 year negotiation period. I am voting remain due to the fact my partner is French and no-body really has any idea how a brexit would affect EU nationals residing in the UK and UK National residing within EU.

 

[marshy68]

Obviously. When we vote in elections, we vote for the party that will most likely run the country the way we want, there are no guarantees are there.

If we stay in, will we have to spend money bailing out Greece again? And will we spend money bailing out the likes of Spain, Portugal, Italy? You don't know do you, so I guess you'd better stay home and not vote for anyone.

So the vote to stay or leave is the same as a murder trial is it?

Nope, I'm neither.

We don't pay a penny to bail out countries in the euro zone as we are not in the euro zone.

 

[marshy68]

I agree there are more important considerations, but it is an example. It's ok saying blithely that we can use British players, but because every club will want British players, their price will go up, so the richer clubs will get the pick.
I think our European players have enhanced our club a great deal, in the same way I feel that being part of Europe enhances Britain.

100% This

 

[studio150]

Did Northern Ireland have a referendum and vote for independence? Sorry, I must have missed it ... ... ... ...

Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain.

 

[BigGully]

Er no, businesses were generally against joining the Euro, which was a major reason why we didn't.

I cannot think that can be true, I sat and listened and was willing to go with it, if as promised it was to deliver greater prosperity for me and my family, I was as open as that.

I listened and listened to business leader after business leader to the point that it seemed a no brainer, sign me up even a Queenless note was ok if I was to become richer, I cannot recall too many dissenters, John Redwood being one but a little uneasy on the eye for me at the time.

Someone might be able to articulate how we didnt in the end, I suspect a little bit of luck, perhaps an unexpected economic jolt from somewhere more likely a political version of Remain, no real bollocks to make a decision against the status quo, perhaps a little later when I grow some and so on ............

 

[Giraffe]

I think you'll find that the NHS would struggle mightily too. My mother was very ill last November, and I met the best nurse I have ever come across looking after her. He was Spanish.
23% of our doctors are immigrants.

People with skills would still be allowed in. nurses are an obvious candidate for this. Worthing hospital is run by Phillippino nurses and very good they are too. Similar points system to Australia would ensure that we got the right people coming in.

Clearly allowing 300,000 net immigration will only stretch the NHS further, hence why I am voting out. If you are worried about the NHS you should be voting out.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

People with skills would still be allowed in. nurses are an obvious candidate for this. Worthing hospital is run by Phillippino nurses and very good they are too. Similar points system to Australia would ensure that we got the right people coming in.

Clearly allowing 300,000 net immigration will only stretch the NHS further, hence why I am voting out. If you are worried about the NHS you should be voting out.

It's all extra red tape on top of what could be a bureaucratic mess.

I think the NHS is better off in Europe. I have already voted by post.

 

[El Presidente]

Clearly allowing 300,000 net immigration will only stretch the NHS further, hence why I am voting out. If you are worried about the NHS you should be voting out.

You are fundamentally wrong though. The majority of those coming to the country are of working age, and they tend to use the NHS less than the elderly. The NHS spends 80% of the average cost for an individual in the last 3-6 months of their life, due to the nature of long term care for the elderly.

People of a working age are contributing to the NHS, first of all through the tax system, and secondly as a significant proportion of them work in the health service.

There are valid reasons for voting out, but the NHS is not one of them.

 

[marshy68]

People with skills would still be allowed in. nurses are an obvious candidate for this. Worthing hospital is run by Phillippino nurses and very good they are too. Similar points system to Australia would ensure that we got the right people coming in.

Clearly allowing 300,000 net immigration will only stretch the NHS further, hence why I am voting out. If you are worried about the NHS you should be voting out.

Or just be honest with the country and put income tax up by 2%. Then split the annual 11 billion generated on Education and NHS.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

People with skills would still be allowed in. nurses are an obvious candidate for this. Worthing hospital is run by Phillippino nurses and very good they are too. Similar points system to Australia would ensure that we got the right people coming in.

Clearly allowing 300,000 net immigration will only stretch the NHS further, hence why I am voting out. If you are worried about the NHS you should be voting out.

The NHS itself does not seem to agree with that last sentiment.

 

[Triggaaar]

In a word, No. Only fellow Euro Zone Countries will have to bail out other Euro Zone Countries. This was supported last summer by the European Commission and the majority of other EU members.

That's incorrect - see below.

We don't pay a penny to bail out countries in the euro zone as we are not in the euro zone.

As above, that's incorrect. We've already contributed towards Greece's problem. It's somewhat frightening that you don't know that, so people are basing their decision to stay without realising what we have to pay for. The EU decide when to raid their pots of money (that we pay into), and they raided the funds for Greece.

On a related note, I'm currently at a conference on world trade. It opened with a panel debate on BREXIT, and at the outset 71% of the room (200 senior professionals from various corporations) were in the 'Remain' camp (an electronic poll was taken). After an hour-long discussion between those officially representing for and against, the vote took place again: 85% were in favour of remaining.

Ergo, most of those intimately involved with trade don't want to leave, nevermind negotiating a new set of deals with individual countries over an elongated period of time.

The people at the conference probably have decent jobs and don't want to risk any change. That doesn't mean it's good for our country.

I have seen some very lame arguments (on political shows) from both sides by those that should have a better understanding of the options.

 

[Publius Ovidius]

Enough said.

Well obviously! Duh

 

[Yoda]

That's incorrect - see below.

As above, that's incorrect. We've already contributed towards Greece's problem. It's somewhat frightening that you don't know that, so people are basing their decision to stay without realising what we have to pay for. The EU decide when to raid their pots of money (that we pay into), and they raided the funds for Greece.

The people at the conference probably have decent jobs and don't want to risk any change. That doesn't mean it's good for our country.

I have seen some very lame arguments (on political shows) from both sides by those that should have a better understanding of the options.

Read what I said again.

You asked if we would have to contribute any MORE. The answer to that is no, with the reason due to my reply. I know we did in the beginning, but we have agreed that any more is a EURO ZONE issue, not an EU issue. The following is from the report last year:

"The European Central Bank will hold a new cash guarantee that ensures countries like Britain that do not have the euro cannot lose any money.
And importantly, EU law will be changed to ensure non-eurozone countries will never have to contribute to a Euro zone bailout."

 

[Thunder Bolt]

That's incorrect - see below.

As above, that's incorrect. We've already contributed towards Greece's problem. It's somewhat frightening that you don't know that, so people are basing their decision to stay without realising what we have to pay for. The EU decide when to raid their pots of money (that we pay into), and they raided the funds for Greece.

This report says you are incorrect.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33556085

A legally binding agreement has been struck to protect UK taxpayers' money from the impact of the Greek bailout, the Treasury says.
Chancellor George Osborne said the "impregnable ring fence" had followed "tough talks" and would also apply to future eurozone rescue packages.
Other non-eurozone countries would also be protected, the Treasury said.