[Politics] Brexit

[Lincoln Imp]

I am still banking on the net immigration to dramatically reduce thus saving us all a few pounds.....i'll vote and take my chances....my holidays are not a necessity so that's a grand saved for me..if i choose to stay at home

Fair enough and I'll consider dropping Waitrose if we come out, but what about single income families with mortgages and debts and jobs with foreign companies in the UK, 72 per cent of which say the UK's membership of the EU is an important factor in them being based here?

 

[Soulman]

Come on the 5way hasn't come back yet. Give me the figures show me how I will be £4300 worse off. Bets are you won't or can't because it is another made up story with no substance ... come on then I'm waiting you cannot state something and not back it up !!!!!!

Seeing into the future..............

 

[portslade seagull]

It mat be a small amount to you but its not to most

No you keep quoting this mystical £4300 amount please back it up with facts or admits it is jus a lie because nobody can

 

[Hampster Gull]

No you keep quoting this mystical £4300 amount please back it up with facts or admits it is jus a lie because nobody can

I have mentioned it once because its a lot of money to me, we need to be careful

 

[JC Footy Genius]

JC he will be labelled a looney along with yourself for daring to post it

I'm sure the fine gentlemen on the remain side would never be that rude or dismissive of expert opinion.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Fair enough and I'll consider dropping Waitrose if we come out, but what about single income families with mortgages and debts and jobs with foreign companies in the UK, 72 per cent of which say the UK's membership of the EU is an important factor in them being based here?

The company i work for is in over 200 countries,i have debt,i pay rent so no mortgage fair enough i could be risking it all and lucky for me i have a partner who works,i share and accept what your saying,companies are advising to vote stay in some cases which i accept too.....if in doubt vote remain.....i am looking medium to longer term..

 

[pastafarian]

I have mentioned it once because its a lot of money to me, we need to be careful

dont need to be careful
we will all be £4300 BETTER off if we leave

panic over

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

I have mentioned it once because its a lot of money to me, we need to be careful

It is a lot of money.....perhaps you could ask the TREASURY how much better off you will be if we remain as they seem to have a crystal ball.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

How to blow the remainers out of the water - https://www.facebook.com/430326123791041/videos/578842868939365/

 

[yxee]

I have mentioned it once because its a lot of money to me, we need to be careful

It's not a lot of money if it's pulled from thin air.

 

[pastafarian]

spread the word

 

[portslade seagull]

I have mentioned it once because its a lot of money to me, we need to be careful

Please show some facts that equal the amount you keep advising. My dad who is 84 is easily agitated and thinks that he is going to lose this mystical amount from his pension hence my angst against shit stirring like this. Please explain to a pensioner if you cannot to me how he will lose this amount as it appears from the trolling that it affects everyone. Quite hard for him to understand especially when his pension is rather small

 

[5ways]

And how is that £4,300 calculated? Pretend that trade will stop overnight? Please

The treasury assumes that by 2030 the economy will be 6.2% smaller than it would be if we remained in the EU. If you divide a lower GDP by the number of households you get £4,300. It's a little crude but the point stands.



The same report concludes

"The analysis finds that the annual loss of GDP per household after 15 years under the three proposed models for an alternative to EU membership would be as follows:

£2,600 in the case of EEA membership
£4,300 in the case of a negotiated bilateral agreement
£5,200 in the case of WTO membership

The analysis also finds that the negative impact on GDP would result in substantially weaker tax receipts. This would significantly outweigh any potential fiscal gain from reduced financial contributions to the EU, which are a little over 1p for every £1 of tax paid once the UK’s rebates and receipts are taken into account. The result would be higher government borrowing, large tax rises or major cuts in public spending.

The Treasury estimates that the central net effect on tax receipts under each scenario would be as follows:

£20 billion in the case of EEA membership
£36 billion in the case of a negotiated bilateral agreement
£45 billion in the case of WTO membership"

 

[JC Footy Genius]

How to blow the remainers out of the water - https://www.facebook.com/430326123791041/videos/578842868939365/

Cracking speech worth posting again.

 

[cunning fergus]

Yeah, thats working isn't it.

And we can all sing Kumbaya around the camp fire.

A Greek one

Interestingly it's not just Greece, as in the last few weeks France has been going through its own cycle of violence with hundreds of protesters arrested and hundreds of police injured.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/06/french-police-anti-cop-hatred-protest-violence

This cycle of violence is in reaction to a socialist Government sticking it to the workers by diminishing their rights to enable employers to hire and fire at will.........sound familiar?

Even more depressing is the Government not even being prepared to put the law to their nationally elected representatives........no wonder they are angry.

http://www.france24.com/en/20160510-france-bypass-parliament-over-disputed-labour-reform-employment

I can imagine the pro EU Tories on here will be beside themselves with joy at this example of how a Government can piss on its workers without parliament approval.

We know who they are, they will be the ones that support TTIP.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

And how is that £4,300 calculated? Pretend that trade will stop overnight? Please

Key points

The £4,300 figure is based on the Government breaking its promise to reduce net migration to the tens of thousands.

If there were 6% fewer households than are currently predicted for 2030 due to lower net migration, there would be no reduction in household income at all (even assuming the Treasury are right that GDP would be 6.2% smaller in 2030 than it otherwise might have been).

The report fails to take account of savings from cutting the cost of EU regulation if we Vote Leave, which the Treasury has previously admitted are as high as 7% of GDP, or £4,638 per household.

The Government calculates its £4,300 figure by dividing a putative 6.2% lesser increase in GDP by 2030 by the current number of households – this is just another example of the Government using dodgy numbers.

The report downplays or ignores other benefits of leaving the EU, including striking free trade agreements with major emerging economies and cutting the UK’s budget contributions.

At no point does the report state that the UK economy will contract if we Vote Leave. The Treasury report admits that the UK will grow if it strikes a free trade deal with the EU.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

The treasury assumes that by 2030 the economy will be 6.2% smaller than it would be if we remained in the EU. If you divide a lower GDP by the number of households you get £4,300. It's a little crude but the point stands.

It's a little more than crude - it's downright wrong. It uses a prediction for the size of the economy in 2030 against the number of households NOW. Utterly false and misleading stats.

 

[Bladders]

£4,300 is a lot of money. Its not worth risking it

They will help pay for you in your old age, and your siblings. Simple demographics and economics

It mat be a small amount to you but its not to most

I have mentioned it once because its a lot of money to me, we need to be careful

Has [MENTION=29908]gregbrighton[/MENTION] hacked your account?

 

[Soulman]

Did you catch this letter?

The former heads of MI5 and MI6 have warned that leaving the EU could undermine “our ability to protect ourselves” from terrorists.

Baron Evans of Weardale, the former director-general of MI5, and Sir John Sawers, the former head of MI6, say Brexit could also lead to “instability on the Continent”, compounding the current “economic difficulties, the migration crisis and a resurgent Russia”.

In an article for The Sunday Times, the former spy chiefs warn that a vote to leave could damage intelligence sharing because the EU would restrict surveillance powers if the UK were not in the union.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/spy-chiefs-say-quitting-eu-is-security-risk-fgzgpgkgk

I trust their judgement. This also chimes with what the Head of Europol said.

Did you catch this while you were trusting their judgement

"Colonel Richard Kemp, a veteran of 14 British Army tours and former head of international terrorism for the UK Joint Intelligence Committee has blasted Prime Minister David Cameron today on the PM’s warnings over Britain’s security and European Union (EU) membership. Cameron asserted that Britain’s exit from the EU could herald fresh conflicts across the continent, with some interpreting his comments to mean that Britain may find itself within a third world war due to leaving the EU.
Colonel Richard Kemp and security analyst Jasper Reid hit back Tuesday, writing that the European Union’s policies have created a newly belligerent Russia, a migrant crisis, a bullying, Islamist Turkey, a Jewish exodus from Europe, and more dangers".

“The EU failed to prevent the migration crisis that threatens to overwhelm many European cities and the housing, welfare, health, and education services paid for by the hard work of citizens who have been allowed no say. “The EU failed to deploy effective naval forces along the North African coast to prevent illegal immigration across the Mediterranean. Such action, used to great effect by Australia, would not only have prevented the landing of countless unregulated immigrants on our shores but would also have saved thousands of lives and sent a firm message to both immigrants and traffickers.”

www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/09...chief-blasts-camerons-post-brexit-war-threat/


Is there any calamity Brexit will not cause?

 

[Bladders]

interestingly it's not just greece, as in the last few weeks france has been going through its own cycle of violence with hundreds of protesters arrested and hundreds of police injured.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/06/french-police-anti-cop-hatred-protest-violence

this cycle of violence is in reaction to a socialist government sticking it to the workers by diminishing their rights to enable employers to hire and fire at will.........sound familiar?

Even more depressing is the government not even being prepared to put the law to their nationally elected representatives........no wonder they are angry.

http://www.france24.com/en/20160510-france-bypass-parliament-over-disputed-labour-reform-employment

i can imagine the pro eu tories on here will be beside themselves with joy at this example of how a government can piss on its workers without parliament approval.

We know who they are, they will be the ones that support ttip.

happy europe day!