[Politics] Brexit

[Triggaaar]

Because as @JC Footy Genius pointed out the the bloke is an unscrupulous patronising shyster. I'm glad more tory lovers are starting to appreciate this, albeit its a bit late in the day now.

You seem a bit naive. Cameron is a politician and will come out with crap to support his agenda, just like the rest of them. I voted for his party last time round and I'd do so again if the vote was tomorrow. That doesn't mean I believed what he said pre-election, I didn't vote based on the thinking he was above the standard politician BS. I voted because I thought his party would do a better job for the country than any of the other parties, something I still believe.

 

[pastafarian]

jeremy launches the Remain Battle Bus

we should " remain and reform " the EU
also vows a Labour gov in 2020 will stop the "damaging " EU/US TTIP trade agreement.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-launches-eu-bus-7935836

 

[Lincoln Imp]

its good to know a growing number of people from across the spectrum are realising his "truths" about what will happen if we leave the EU are nothing more than lies.

The thing that impresses me about some Brexiters is how much they KNOW. Me, with my tiny brain, has to stumble through each issue, looking at the facts and coming to a view. On balance I'm a lot more impressed with the Remain argument, but it's sometimes not clear cut. Quite often my certainty is less than 100 per cent and on some issues (the EU's diplomacy in the Ukraine for example) it's nearer 0 per cent. But many Brexiters on this board are so sharp that they don't have to consider every issue. They just KNOW everything. You, for example, agree that Cameron is a shyster and you know he is a congenital and consistent liar. He's picked up on many pro-remain warnings and you KNOW that every last one of them is a scaremongering lie. And you pat the heads of the slow-witted meanderers 'from across the spectrum' as they finally realise what you have known all along.

I can only watch in amazement.

 

[pastafarian]

The thing that impresses me about some Brexiters is how much they KNOW. Me, with my tiny brain, has to stumble through each issue, looking at the facts and coming to a view. On balance I'm a lot more impressed with the Remain argument, but it's sometimes not clear cut. Quite often my certainty is less than 100 per cent and on some issues (the EU's diplomacy in the Ukraine for example) it's nearer 0 per cent. But many Brexiters on this board are so sharp that they don't have to consider every issue. They just KNOW everything. You, for example, agree that Cameron is a shyster and you know he is a congenital and consistent liar. He's picked up on many pro-remain warnings and you KNOW that every last one of them is a scaremongering lie. And you pat the heads of the slow-witted meanderers 'from across the spectrum' as they finally realise what you have known all along.

I can only watch in amazement.

Bad day at work?
someone steal your sandwiches?

 

[Two Professors]

The thing that impresses me about some Brexiters is how much they KNOW. Me, with my tiny brain, has to stumble through each issue, looking at the facts and coming to a view. On balance I'm a lot more impressed with the Remain argument, but it's sometimes not clear cut. Quite often my certainty is less than 100 per cent and on some issues (the EU's diplomacy in the Ukraine for example) it's nearer 0 per cent. But many Brexiters on this board are so sharp that they don't have to consider every issue. They just KNOW everything. You, for example, agree that Cameron is a shyster and you know he is a congenital and consistent liar. He's picked up on many pro-remain warnings and you KNOW that every last one of them is a scaremongering lie. And you pat the heads of the slow-witted meanderers 'from across the spectrum' as they finally realise what you have known all along.

I can only watch in amazement.

While having some sympathy with slow learners,do try to keep up at the back

 

[Bladders]

The thing that impresses me about some Brexiters is how much they KNOW. Me, with my tiny brain, has to stumble through each issue, looking at the facts and coming to a view. On balance I'm a lot more impressed with the Remain argument, but it's sometimes not clear cut. Quite often my certainty is less than 100 per cent and on some issues (the EU's diplomacy in the Ukraine for example) it's nearer 0 per cent. But many Brexiters on this board are so sharp that they don't have to consider every issue. They just KNOW everything. You, for example, agree that Cameron is a shyster and you know he is a congenital and consistent liar. He's picked up on many pro-remain warnings and you KNOW that every last one of them is a scaremongering lie. And you pat the heads of the slow-witted meanderers 'from across the spectrum' as they finally realise what you have known all along.

I can only watch in amazement.

How you can stand back and look at Europe, what is happening in Europe, the Euro zone etc and still think remain is a good Idea is just baffling.

I can only presume you really haven't a clue whats ACTUALLY going on.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

The thing that impresses me about some Brexiters is how much they KNOW. Me, with my tiny brain, has to stumble through each issue, looking at the facts and coming to a view. On balance I'm a lot more impressed with the Remain argument, but it's sometimes not clear cut. Quite often my certainty is less than 100 per cent and on some issues (the EU's diplomacy in the Ukraine for example) it's nearer 0 per cent. But many Brexiters on this board are so sharp that they don't have to consider every issue. They just KNOW everything. You, for example, agree that Cameron is a shyster and you know he is a congenital and consistent liar. He's picked up on many pro-remain warnings and you KNOW that every last one of them is a scaremongering lie. And you pat the heads of the slow-witted meanderers 'from across the spectrum' as they finally realise what you have known all along.

I can only watch in amazement.

What a patronising post !!!!

Let's take one small subject - defence / security. The hot topic of the moment. So as an inner, would you care to explain how we the UK would be less secure if we leave ? It seems to be an issue with the remain camp so one would expect them to explain why yet NOBODY has.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

How you can stand back and look at Europe, what is happening in Europe, the Euro zone etc and still think remain is a good Idea is just baffling.

I can only presume you really haven't a clue whats ACTUALLY going on.

Well you've made my point better than I did really. Like everyone who hums the Brexit melody you know everything and are certain that people who think otherwise are buffoons who haven't a clue.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Bad day at work?
someone steal your sandwiches?

Wrong again (but that's only my opinion).

 

[Two Professors]

European Army provide security-don't make me laugh.The only decent military units in the EU apart from us are some French units who are stuck in North Africa.The Belgians are on strike breaking duty,the krauts have flogged all their tanks that work,and the rest have been emasculated by politicians.If Putin could afford it,and be bothered,he could knock the lot over in a week!

 

[sir albion]

Well you've made my point better than I did really. Like everyone who hums the Brexit melody you know everything and are certain that people who think otherwise are buffoons who haven't a clue.

To be fair the remain camp are mostly people who look at the financial side only in which isn't important to the leave campaign.
The whole of Europe is in a complete state and will get worse for sure...Things need to go back to how they were and to start over again is the only real solution.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

What a patronising post !!!!

Let's take one small subject - defence / security. The hot topic of the moment. So as an inner, would you care to explain how we the UK would be less secure if we leave ? It seems to be an issue with the remain camp so one would expect them to explain why yet NOBODY has.

I've never commented on security because unlike many (it seems) I don't know enough about military and intelligence matters to come up with much of a judgement. One instinctive view I have (probably shared with you) is that open borders across Europe and relatively open borders around the UK can't help us keep the baddies at bay but I suspect there's more to it than that and note that authoritative figures have argued that on balance EU membership is good for security. Others have argued the opposite of course. What I suspect happens is that people have strong opinions without knowing much about the subject, and then look for experts to back them up.

 

[DTES]

Let's take one small subject - defence / security. The hot topic of the moment. So as an inner, would you care to explain how we the UK would be less secure if we leave ? It seems to be an issue with the remain camp so one would expect them to explain why yet NOBODY has.

I like this quote:

It was his (Churchill’s) idea to bring those countries together, to bind them together so indissolubly that they could never go to war again - and who can deny, today, that this idea has been a spectacular success? Together with Nato the European Community, now Union, has helped to deliver a period of peace and prosperity for its people as long as any since the days of the Antonine emperors.

Those words are, er, Boris Johnson's, from just 2 years ago. I can't imagine why he'd change his mind just because the chance arose to boost his own ambitions of being PM by leading the Leave campaign...

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I like this quote:

It was his (Churchill’s) idea to bring those countries together, to bind them together so indissolubly that they could never go to war again - and who can deny, today, that this idea has been a spectacular success? Together with Nato the European Community, now Union, has helped to deliver a period of peace and prosperity for its people as long as any since the days of the Antonine emperors.

Those words are, er, Boris Johnson's, from just 2 years ago. I can't imagine why he'd change his mind just because the chance arose to boost his own ambitions of being PM by leading the Leave campaign...

To be fair, I don't give a flying unicorn about BJ's political aspirations - it certainly won't affect my vote one way or the other. I'm still waiting as to why leaving the EU makes us less secure though ?

 

[DTES]

I'm still waiting as to why leaving the EU makes us less secure though ?

Honestly? I'm not sure it will make a material difference - it won't lead to war.

It surely won't make us more safe - we aren't in the Schengen zone anyway - and one (small?) negative effect will be that we will no longer have the European Arrest Warrant. NCA figures show roughly 200-250 wanted criminals per year are brought back to the UK under the EAW. These are primarily drug trafficking and child sex offences rather than terrorism.

Cameron's claims were probably overblown and, IMHO, the real picture is that we would be very slightly less safe outside the EU. It's not the reason I'm voting Remain.

 

[Two Professors]

So we are going to be slightly less safe because we no longer have the European Arrest Warrant,and those naughty EU people won't let us have back our drug dealers and paedos?As Manuel from Barcelona would say-QUE?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

To be fair the remain camp are mostly people who look at the financial side only in which isn't important to the leave campaign.

So Brexit equals I'm alright financially Jack? Lovely.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Bit of a coward arnt you

my mum's side of the family are of Irish decent and we were brought up with slang words for the Irish Welsh and Scots
regards
DR

 

[Westdene Seagull]

So Brexit equals I'm alright financially Jack? Lovely.

That's not what he said.

If the Remain campaign figures are true then I'll be worse off if we leave - I'm prepared to accept that.

It's noticeable that all of a sudden that the Remain camp have switched from using economics as a scare tactic to using security as one. Little note from the remain camp that businesses thinking leave is the way to go have increased by 7% in the last two months whilst those wanting to stay has reduced by 6% over the same period. I guess it doesn't show the remain campaign as working.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

That's not what he said.

If the Remain campaign figures are true then I'll be worse off if we leave - I'm prepared to accept that.

It's noticeable that all of a sudden that the Remain camp have switched from using economics as a scare tactic to using security as one. Little note from the remain camp that businesses thinking leave is the way to go have increased by 7% in the last two months whilst those wanting to stay has reduced by 6% over the same period. I guess it doesn't show the remain campaign as working.

Sorry to quibble but it's the other way round - having found the economic argument going against them the Brexiters suddenly announced that the subject wasn't that important anyway and they wanted to talk about something else. Unfortunately someone in Camp Brexit leaked that this was about to happen, and it duly did.
The Chambers of Commerce survey you quote showed that the percentage of members wanting to leave had risen from a bit under a third to a bit over. You express surprise that the Remain camp didn't draw attention to this. Probably the same reason that Brexit didn't publicise the tsunami of economic opinion against leaving.