So Bournemouth did gamble big time

[Bozza]

Notice their local rag the Echo has completely ignored the story today. Far worse cheats than ever imagined

Ahem...

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sp...inancial_Fair_Play_fine_more_than___7million/ >>> "A FINE of more than £7million for breaching Financial Fair Play rules contributed to Cherries' pre-tax losses totalling nearly £40million."[/QUOTE]

 

[8ace]

Lies, lies, lies.
Smug Eddie is a miracle worker who operates on a shoestring budget - the entire bmuff squad was assembled from nothing more than a few twigs and rubber bands.

 

[Simster]

What happened to that complete smug nob of a Bournemouth fan who was on here last season to absolutely INSIST his club were well within FFP despite them so obviously cheating?

 

[Sweeney Todd]

So, what do Bournemouth fans have to say about his? They are quick to come onto this board to lord it over us, but have nothing to say when they have been caught with their fingers in the till. In plain English, they cheated, the “plucky little Bournemouth” narrative is bunkum, and their achievements are hollow.

 

[El Presidente]

[MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] is correct

 

[El Presidente]

They're still plucky of course! Good bunch of lads according to diamond GEEZER Harry Redknapp.

 

[WonderingSoton]

Credit them for actually paying their fine despite being under no obligation (at this point) to do so.
See QPR for an example of cheating AND not even being man enough to hold hands up and accept the consequences.
It's impossible to compete at the top end of the Champ without big money - our own accounts have shown that. the most important thing, is that unlike say Portsmouth, the PL money is used sensibly, if we're lucky enough to get it that is.

 

[CP 0 3 BHA]

Just because the cost of the fine appears in their P&L doesn't mean they have paid it - it could still be outstanding in their creditors on the Balance Sheet. It may show within the cashflow statement whether the cash actually was paid over to the authorities.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

So, what do Bournemouth fans have to say about his? They are quick to come onto this board to lord it over us, but have nothing to say when they have been caught with their fingers in the till. In plain English, they cheated, the “plucky little Bournemouth” narrative is bunkum, and their achievements are hollow.

but cheating is endemic in football, both on and off the pitch. Seems harsh to single out Bournemouth for criticism. Is their 'cheating' any worse than any of the other methods used to gain an advantage ? Im pleased that Bournemouth fans are able to enjoy top flight football and in their position I wouldn't expect to have to defend the manner in which it was achieved.

 

[lost in london]

Two thoughts:

1. Given the level of investment we have had from a single individual to pull us out of a hole we should be careful before having a go at others (I get it that we comply, but undoubtedly there has been some (lawful) financial jiggery pokery going on to make it so - morally it is all a bit of a grey area to me).

2. Bournemouth got lucky, were promoted and paid the fine, if a club wants to gamble everything then fair enough, that's the approach they have taken. Soon enough to counter the 'success' stories there will be a few clubs brought down by a failed gamble and fines. The precedent of clubs gambling and paying the fines arguably helps the success of the scheme overall. Clubs that actually get promoted, pay the fine and stay up in the Prem will I think be in the minority eventually compared to those who do something similar, don't get promotion, are hit by fines and go nowhere.

 

[stevejoneslegend]

What happened to that complete smug nob of a Bournemouth fan who was on here last season to absolutely INSIST his club were well within FFP despite them so obviously cheating?

Not sure if you're referring to me, but I don't particularly care tbh... Yes, we spent bigger than we perhaps should have to get into the Prem, but that was the gamble... last year... Not the previous years, where we achieved an incredible amount, in short period, on limited resources... Broken record now but 8 of our 11, on Saturday at Everton were in our promoted Lg 1 side... and YES we've paid the fine, unlike most others... Which lets not forget, along with £4.6 million of ground improvements for getting to the PL, was included in that £39 million loss...

The thing with FFP is that the very notion of it is unfair... So we have tiny ground which means we can spend less than teams that have large grounds, for example, and can generate a massive amount of income... So that puts everyone on a level playing field doesn't it...? How does that make it possible for anyone than the rich and famous teams to achieve greatness in English football...?

I'm not saying this because we have broken it, but FFP is a complete joke... Even most of the posters on here have agreed... Something needs to be in place to stop club owners doing the types of things that happened to Blackpool and Portsmouth, but there should not be something in place that stops smaller clubs 'who can afford to spend', trying to achieve something in top flight football... Why shouldn't smaller clubs be able to spend 'within their limits' when the prize is 3 or 4 times the income of what you've spent...?

I've come to learn that critics criticise out of pure jealousy... I actually want BHA in the Premier League as I think you'd be a better addition than the likes of Burnley etc. However, are you folks so sure that your own house is squeaky clean... Ive no idea... Do you...

 

[Sweeney Todd]

but cheating is endemic in football, both on and off the pitch. Seems harsh to single out Bournemouth for criticism. Is their 'cheating' any worse than any of the other methods used to gain an advantage ? Im pleased that Bournemouth fans are able to enjoy top flight football and in their position I wouldn't expect to have to defend the manner in which it was achieved.

If people had that attitude with regard to crime – picking and choosing which laws to obey and which to flout – then we would have anarchy.

The ends do not justify the means.

Should we secure promotion to the Premier League on Saturday, I will be proud that we did so without cheating.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

I'm not saying this because we have broken it, but FFP is a complete joke... Even most of the posters on here have agreed... Something needs to be in place to stop club owners doing the types of things that happened to Blackpool and Portsmouth, but there should not be something in place that stops smaller clubs 'who can afford to spend', trying to achieve something in top flight football... Why shouldn't smaller clubs be able to spend 'within their limits' when the prize is 3 or 4 times the income of what you've spent...?

I've come to learn that critics criticise out of pure jealousy... I actually want BHA in the Premier League as I think you'd be a better addition than the likes of Burnley etc. However, are you folks so sure that your own house is squeaky clean... Ive no idea... Do you...

We are lucky to have a home town owner who has built infrastructure but not spent big on players or wages, I assume your owners have done the reverse. The club believe the infrastructure, ground, ST sales and brand new football academy (160 million plus spent on ground and training centre) will make the club both successful and profitable over the longer term.

Yes FFP is a sham, but do you not have fears that you could end up like Portsmouth especially if you go down with crazy wage bill and out of reach of the Premiership gold, your club has suffered in the past and I do not want to see you or any other club lose it over mis management. Hopefully your owners will stick with you for the long term.

Plus great to see Elphick and Cook playing so well for you

 

[stevejoneslegend]

We are lucky to have a home town owner who has built infrastructure but not spent big on players or wages, I assume your owners have done the reverse.

Yes FFP is a sham, but do you not have fears that you could end up like Portsmouth especially if you go down with crazy wage bill and out of reach of the Premiership gold, your club has suffered in the past and I do not want to see you loose it over mis management.

Yep, there is a lot of 'uncertainty' as to where this ride is going t take us, however, for every shyster in charge, there is a genuine owner that wants the best for the club... To date, our owners have done nothing to indicate there is anything to worry about, and I think most AFCB trust in Eddie, unreservedly, and he seems to speak nothing but highly of the current regime...

Maxim Demin probably spent around £20 in purchase and investment (when we were in Lg 1 and Championship), and then sold 25% of his stake to the Americans, so probably de-risked his investment in one hit... They seem to be backing Eddie Howe, and the rewards are there to see at the moment...

At some point, if you want your club to be better, you have to have big money investment in today's game, and FFP does nothing but stop that happening... Who knows where we'll be in 5 years... Hopefully the WBA and Swansea models can be something to follow...

Good luck next weekend

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

Yes Eddie is a great manager, a lot of Burnley's success is down to him. I hope we will get to play you again next year. Any plans to develop your ground to get more punters in.

 

[Simster]

Not sure if you're referring to me, but I don't particularly care tbh... Yes, we spent bigger than we perhaps should have to get into the Prem, but that was the gamble... last year... Not the previous years, where we achieved an incredible amount, in short period, on limited resources... Broken record now but 8 of our 11, on Saturday at Everton were in our promoted Lg 1 side... and YES we've paid the fine, unlike most others... Which lets not forget, along with £4.6 million of ground improvements for getting to the PL, was included in that £39 million loss...

The thing with FFP is that the very notion of it is unfair... So we have tiny ground which means we can spend less than teams that have large grounds, for example, and can generate a massive amount of income... So that puts everyone on a level playing field doesn't it...? How does that make it possible for anyone than the rich and famous teams to achieve greatness in English football...?

I'm not saying this because we have broken it, but FFP is a complete joke... Even most of the posters on here have agreed... Something needs to be in place to stop club owners doing the types of things that happened to Blackpool and Portsmouth, but there should not be something in place that stops smaller clubs 'who can afford to spend', trying to achieve something in top flight football... Why shouldn't smaller clubs be able to spend 'within their limits' when the prize is 3 or 4 times the income of what you've spent...?

I've come to learn that critics criticise out of pure jealousy... I actually want BHA in the Premier League as I think you'd be a better addition than the likes of Burnley etc. However, are you folks so sure that your own house is squeaky clean... Ive no idea... Do you...

I don't really disagree with much of what you're saying. You sound reasonable enough so it probably wasn't you anyway, but there was one complete bell end on here who was absolutely insisting you hadn't broken any rules when you clearly had. Anyway my issue was more with the smug Eddie fairytale bollox, which has now been properly exposed.

 

[GOM]

Perhaps instead of fining them an arrangement could be made with the Prem that it is withheld from their parachute payments upon relegation. Part of the terms for inclusion in the Prem

 

[nicko31]

Perhaps instead of fining them an arrangement could be made with the Prem that it is withheld from their parachute payments upon relegation. Part of the terms for inclusion in the Prem

Like that, changes the risk / reward ratio, that said a wealthy owner may just go for it regardless

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

If people had that attitude with regard to crime – picking and choosing which laws to obey and which to flout – then we would have anarchy.

The ends do not justify the means.

Should we secure promotion to the Premier League on Saturday, I will be proud that we did so without cheating.

yeah I take your point and in 'real life' I agree with you. i just think that there is so much in football that is stacked against the smaller clubs. In my view FFP creates a level playing field for those smaller clubs but also restricts their ability to challenge the elite. I just don't see much moral difference between spending too much of an owners own money and diving for a penalty to gain promotion. If we do it by the latter on Saturday then i won't lose much sleep over it !!

 

[Brovion]

That doesn't seem to the case here though, does it? As it says in The Times piece, linked above, and other articles on this subject, it seems to be the case that Bournemouth have paid a fine. Not "may face a fine", not "may be hit with a fine" nor "could face a fine" - they all say that Bournemouth have paid over hard cold cash.

That seems different to the QPR story we are all so familiar with.

I have no idea why there would be a difference, if indeed there is.

Regardless, the gamble clearly paid off for them.

What was their fine? 200 million? 300 million? I haven't read the story but without looking I'm prepared to wager money that the fine is nothing like the money they've raked in from just being in the PL. They took a gamble and it paid off. Actually they took two gambles. The first one was that any FFP 'sanctions' would be meaningless and the second that they WOULD actually reach the PL. Given our gutless administrators the first was probably quite an easy one to call, but if the second one had failed doubtless in a few years time we'd have heard a load of sob-stories about 'poor' Bournemouth being in financial trouble because of debts run up by the previous owner (as he undoubtedly would be by then).

But even then, thinking about it, that wasn't much of a gamble either. You'd get the usual addle-brained souls saying we should be sympathetic as it isn't the fans fault, and eventually Bournemouth would write off all their debts in exchange for 12 league points.