Equal pay in tennis

[hans kraay fan club]

I watch womens tennis when EUGENIE BOUCHARD is on.

She should be the biggest earner in tennis. I've googled her LOADS

On the other hand, its only fair that they earn less for the actual tennis, because they can supplement their earnings by doing CALENDARS, and underwear shoots and stuff.

Apart from the ugly ones, obviously, but you can't please everybody.

 

[Geestar]

If they play the same amount of sets and bring in the same money from audiences, etc then yes.....otherwise no.

 

[Goldstone1976]

Apart from the ugly ones, obviously

Contender for comment of the month...

 

[Triggaaar]

Why should it be the responsibility of the players to campaign for that? Out of guilt that they're winning more money per set than their male counterparts?

No, I'd suggest their pay is less than the men's because they play less and if they want to get paid as much then they'll need to play as much, and they can ask to play more if that's what they want.

They both train the same amount, they both work as hard for each tournament, they both play within the rules GIVEN to them.

Just like women's football. And the rule I'd give to them is that they can either have less money, or play the same number of sets - their choice.

You make it sound like female tennis players are being lazy, which is extremely arrogant.

Oh please. They provide less entertainment.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Women could not compete equally against men at tennis and expect to win, so they have a separate competition. This does not attract the same level of spectator interest as the men's game. I see no more justification for equal pay here than for any two other unequal activities . . .

 

[Goldstone1976]

What I don't understand is why they allow a bloke to play in the women's game. Doesn't seem fair to me.

Or why they allow so many players to take drugs in both the men's and women's game.

 

[spring hall convert]

I'm not sure there's a great deal wrong with Djokovic's positioning to be fair. He's entitled to his opinion. The 3 vs 5 set thing is a red herring (Djokvic doesn't point to that) you are paid a rate commensurate with your achievement, not the time you spend on court.

What there was a hell of a lot wrong with, is this - http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/20/raymond-moore-indian-wells-wta-sexist-remarks

"“When I come back in my next life I want to be someone in the WTA because they ride on the coattails of the men,” said Moore on Sunday. “They don’t make any decisions and they are lucky. They are very, very lucky.

“If I was a lady player, I’d go down every night on my knees and thank God that Roger Federer and Rafa Nadal were born because they have carried this sport. They really have.”

Not big. Not clever. Was he pissed or something?

 

[sydney]

I watch womens tennis when EUGENIE BOUCHARD is on.

She should be the biggest earner in tennis. I've googled her LOADS

she is defo a TILF

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Can't say I really give a shit.

They're both playing for the same prize, winning the tournament. Winning the tournament should yield the same prize money. It's the competition that decides whether they play 3 or 5 sets, reducing the women's prize money based on the amount of sets played would hardly be 'fair' because they can't CHOOSE to play best of 5 can they?

Not that it even matters in the long run as Djokovic et al make far more than the female tennis players in sponsorship and the like anyway.

But the female players and their representation never pushed to play 5 sets. So they didn't give a crap about making it truly equal.

 

[sydney]

look at this cheeky little minx.....

 

[beorhthelm]

Not big. Not clever. Was he pissed or something?

well he isnt going to win any PR awards, but he isnt wrong is he?

 

[Triggaaar]

The 3 vs 5 set thing is a red herring (Djokvic doesn't point to that) you are paid a rate commensurate with your achievement, not the time you spend on court.

No they aren't paid a rate in line with their achievement. If they were, women's footballers would get as much as men. They're paid in line with the amount of money the tournaments make, from ticket sales, TV rights, advertising etc. If the players were on court for 30 minutes each, you wouldn't get so many spectators, such lucrative TV deals or so much advertising revenue.

 

[spring hall convert]

No they aren't paid a rate in line with their achievement. If they were, women's footballers would get as much as men. They're paid in line with the amount of money the tournaments make, from ticket sales, TV rights, advertising etc. If the players were on court for 30 minutes each, you wouldn't get so many spectators, such lucrative TV deals or so much advertising revenue.

Who said anything about football? This thread is about tennis. You are paid for winning a tournament not how you win a tournament.

 

[Triggaaar]

Who said anything about football?

You said they are paid a rate commensurate with their achievement, and I was just explaining how that was wrong.

You are paid for winning a tournament not how you win a tournament.

But the money paid comes from how much entertainment is provided. Sure you could have a dull match, and they'd still get paid, but if all the matches were crap, people would stop paying to watch and the prize money would go. The tournament could still be there, they could still achieve a great deal by winning, but they wouldn't get paid as much as they do now.

 

[brightn'ove]

No they aren't paid a rate in line with their achievement. If they were, women's footballers would get as much as men. They're paid in line with the amount of money the tournaments make, from ticket sales, TV rights, advertising etc. If the players were on court for 30 minutes each, you wouldn't get so many spectators, such lucrative TV deals or so much advertising revenue.

footballers don't get paid prize money for winning anything, they get wages. We're talking about prize money, for the exact same tournament, held in the exact same location, in front of the same audiences, sponsored by the same sponsors, held at the same time. There is no parallel to womens football at all.

 

[Diablo]

Surely Competitors should get paid on their relative standard..The men are a lot better than the women..therefore should be paid more.

Where would the top women be in a overall world ranking ?

 

[Triggaaar]

footballers don't get paid prize money for winning anything, they get wages.

You're being silly. For a start, players do get win bonuses, promotion bonuses, and bonuses related to how high up the table they finish. And if they tend to win games, they're likely to get an increase in wages.

The simple point is that the pay of sportsmen (inc women) is based on providing entertainment. People pay a lot to watch the Premier League, so the players get paid a lot. People pay a lot to watch Tennis, so the players get paid a lot. People pay more to watch a 5 set match than they do to watch 3 set match.

 

[surlyseagull]

If the women played five sets and the men 3 and got the same money there would be anarchy from the women in tennis .

 

[Albumen]

I don't understand why woman can't now move to 5 sets anyway, they're surely as fit as men. They play it all bloody day when training.

I enjoy watching Women's tennis as much as men's so I'd rather they get paid the same.

Djokovic has dropped a clanger too. Silly man.

 

[spring hall convert]

You said they are paid a rate commensurate with their achievement, and I was just explaining how that was wrong.

But the money paid comes from how much entertainment is provided. Sure you could have a dull match, and they'd still get paid, but if all the matches were crap, people would stop paying to watch and the prize money would go. The tournament could still be there, they could still achieve a great deal by winning, but they wouldn't get paid as much as they do now.

Cool, we're having one of those weird debates. I'm saying when the players turn up for a tournament they know how much you get for winning, you are saying medium/ long term that amount is impacted by a variety of factors dependent of the entertainment and longevity of the offering. Deuce.