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Shootings and explosion in Paris!
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alfredmizen
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- Mar 11, 2015
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Dont be silly its only a tiny minority of muslims/not true representatives of islam/ blah blah blah
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
Quite the most ridiculous post on this thread so far.
Up until Nov 2014 the security services had foiled over forty Islamist terror plots, and possibly another 10 in the last year. An on going court case at the moment, is a couple of wannabe jihadist who were days away from bombing the underground.
Hardly not having the balls to tackle Moslem extremism, is it?
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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or, after the events of last week the intelligence changed: some recognised the chap and that he was in Paris, contrary to the intel that he'd gone to Syria. they put surveillance on known associate (cousin) and found him.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
If you're on Twitter, follow @CourtNewsUk which covers the Old Bailey, and London magistrates courts. You will realise soon enough that there have been extremists found, tried and convicted quite frequently over the past few years, which is why Britain has avoided another 7/7 tragedy.
Captain Sensible
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Out of 750 that have returned to the Uk from Syria and Iraqi training camps, over half are under constant surveillance. Which is great. But what about the low risk? The ones like the Paris terrorists? Ones that are not under constant surveillance? What happened to stripping them of their UK citizenship?
My point is there will now be a huge clamp down on IS and their sympathisers in Europe. That is until it starts to get uncomfortable again when some innocent members of the public are inevitably detained and arrested and the atrocities aren't quite so vivid in the memory.
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
Islamist terrorists have only actually murdered 57 people in this country, I say, only but obviously even that is far too many. 56 of these were in the London bombings, and the other was Lee Rigby.
I would think, that this is due in part, to the very tight gun laws in this country, an extremely efficient and effective security apparatus, and a modicum of sheer good luck.
Whereas th Provisional IRA had automatic weapons, and military grade high explosive at their disposal, so far, thankfully, the jihadist have only got home made explosive, and bladed weapons
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
I really think you are underestimating the security services.I imagine that GCHQ has a pretty good handle on all those that it needs to be watching, but, for obvious reasons it is not going to advertise the methods and strategies that they use.
If a returning Syrian jihadist is allowed to return to his normal life, maybe it is because the security services glean a lot more low level intelligence from them, than if they were not allowed back, and who knows how many are on the radar at any one time.
Thankfully, we haven't got it wrong too many times so far, and the spooks are notoriously tight lipped when it comes to their methods and on going tactics
sir albion
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You get killed for doing this in many Muslim countries....You must get loads leaving all the time.Ssshhhhh it's the religion of peace and tolerance
sir albion
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Pretty sure I heard that France has around 1200 on constant surveillance and one of these was arrested a few times before he went on the rampage on Friday.
These types need to be deported asap although many would have been born in Europe in which cocks things up big time...You don't want these twats in prison preaching day in day out either.
alfredmizen
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there was a copper killed in manchester whilst raiding a flat in 2003 to do with a ricin terror plot.
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
Okay, forgot that one,he was also stabbed to death, if I remember, 58, still doesn't seem like many when compared to the Provos.
alfredmizen
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It doesnt, but sadly I think we will come unstuck at some point.
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
I think you are probably right, unfortunately, but all the time we are keeping the bad guys from getting any decent ordinance their options are severely restricted
Bladders
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Buzzer
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Talking of eye-openers, this is an extraordinary tale from a CoE canon in Baghdad. He's in no doubt that ISIS can't be reasoned with and a peaceful settlement is not workable. By the by, a lot of people have a pop at religious types on here but this chap's dedication to his faith deserves recognition.
BadFish
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Talking of eye-openers, this is an extraordinary tale from a CoE canon in Baghdad. He's in no doubt that ISIS can't be reasoned with and a peaceful settlement is not workable. By the by, a lot of people have a pop at religious types on here but this chap's dedication to his faith deserves recognition.
Thanks for posting, good on him. It is nice to know that there are decent people out there.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Talking of eye-openers, this is an extraordinary tale from a CoE canon in Baghdad. He's in no doubt that ISIS can't be reasoned with and a peaceful settlement is not workable. By the by, a lot of people have a pop at religious types on here but this chap's dedication to his faith deserves recognition.
His wife & children live in Sussex. He is in Jordan working with refugees at the moment.
Seagull over Canaryland
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We are right to give credit to the various agencies for foiling a series of plots within the UK - and also for recognising that 'luck' has been a significant factor too.
It's easy to overlook that only two weeks after 7/7/2005 a similar series of attacks penetrated the transport system within London - and only failed due to the incompetence of the bombers getting their DIY chemistry slightly wrong. Subsequently two car bomb attacks also failed. Vigilance by members of the public was a factor in these attacks being discovered. There was also the botched attack on Glasgow airport and the Lee Rigby tragedy. However a series of other attacks were disrupted in the advanced stage of planning or implementation. I suspect there may be other potential attacks that have remained secret, for intelligence reasons.
So while we should be thankful for the continuing vigilance of our security services - and long may this continue, I also fear that we are on borrowed time.
It does concern me that the respective thin blue, red and green lines within our emergency services, the NHS and the military are now (or becoming) sufficiently stretched that they may struggle to respond to and contain any significant attacks, especially if there are simultaneous incidents, which we know is likely. Of particular worry is when the bad guys/girls eventually resort to using 'dirty' devices that will substantially complicate the containment of incidents.
After 9/11 the Blair Govt introduced a raft of new legal powers and supported this with a range of specialist equipment and training for the emergency services and other agencies. A range of 'dirty' scenarios were anticipated and planned for. Dealing with such incidents will be very resource intensive. However it concerns me that the personnel trained and practiced in this response are already becoming depleted or struggling to maintain proficiency in their 'clean' roles, let alone a 'dirty' incident. It could be very challenging to deploy sufficient resources in a timely and effective manner, with the implication that containment and resolution of incidents is likely to be more protracted.