This is awful

[Easy 10]

And the USA still has the death penalty and interns people in Guantanamo Bay detention camp for years without trial. Which is the more civilized?

I'm not going to make a case for justifying what goes on at Guantanamo, nobody can. But to my knowledge, in the USA you do not get public decapitations, stonings, floggings or limbs being chopped off for minor offences. Neither are you executed for being homosexual. Neither are you executed for following a different religion. Neither can you marry 8 year old girls.

So whilst the USA is not perfect, its not a particularly difficult choice to decide which country is more civilized.

 

[Dick Head]

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[Dick Head]

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[Thunder Bolt]

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It's not breaking, as the man's daughter was on Breakfast tv this morning saying that Cameron had already written to the Saudi government.

 

[brakespear]

America has executed people who committed their crimes when kids or with serious mental health issues.. People dont seem to consider that so barbaric..

I'm pretty sure they do, I know I do, and I remember there was quite a bit of outcry over several executions in the States in the last few years. Don't let that distract you though

 

[daveinprague]

I'm pretty sure they do, I know I do, and I remember there was quite a bit of outcry over several executions in the States in the last few years. Don't let that distract you though

Not really. It was on the news. There was no outcry.

 

[daveinprague]

Having lived in Saudi, I know that people drink, and brew booze in the strong knowledge that if they are caught, they are going to face very stiff penalties. They are making big money out of the trade, but it has big risks. Which is why the rewards are huge, and penalties horrific. Its one of those things. Whether the punishment is 'humane' or 'barbaric'.. its not really a point.

 

[symyjym]

Having lived in Saudi, I know that people drink, and brew booze in the strong knowledge that if they are caught, they are going to face very stiff penalties. They are making big money out of the trade, but it has big risks. Which is why the rewards are huge, and penalties horrific. Its one of those things. Whether the punishment is 'humane' or 'barbaric'.. its not really a point.

I was under the impression this was for personal use, a hobby, not for mass distribution.

 

[Easy 10]

Having lived in Saudi, I know that people drink, and brew booze in the strong knowledge that if they are caught, they are going to face very stiff penalties. They are making big money out of the trade, but it has big risks. Which is why the rewards are huge, and penalties horrific. Its one of those things. Whether the punishment is 'humane' or 'barbaric'.. its not really a point.

OK, so putting aside the "he knew the risks" argument, do you believe that in the year 2015, it is still justifiable for punishments such as public decapitations, the chopping off of limbs, stonings and floggings for what are relatively minor offences to exist ?

 

[Dick Head]

It's not breaking, as the man's daughter was on Breakfast tv this morning saying that Cameron had already written to the Saudi government.

Don't shoot the messenger.

 

[daveinprague]

OK, so putting aside the "he knew the risks" argument, do you believe that in the year 2015, it is still justifiable for punishments such as public decapitations, the chopping off of limbs, stonings and floggings for what are relatively minor offences to exist ?

No I dont, but the fact is, that is what the laws say there, and this guy new the laws... there have been thousands of people executed in Saudi over the last few years. When a westerner gets some fairly minor punishment, people go up the wall about it.
I dont believe in state murder by anybody, but whats better? Electric chair or beheading? **** me, there's a choice, wonder which is less barbaric. Death is death, and its all wrong, but, thats the law there.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

No I dont, but the fact is, that is what the laws say there, and this guy new the laws... there have been thousands of people executed in Saudi over the last few years. When a westerner gets some fairly minor punishment, people go up the wall about it.

"minor" ENOUGH SAID ABOUT YOU
regards
DR

 

[daveinprague]

I was under the impression this was for personal use, a hobby, not for mass distribution.

Bit weird to take in boot of car though. Could understand it, if his house had been raided, but in a car suggests transportation. Thats how western police would view it im sure, if it was drugs as an example. Not that clear how much was in the car is it?

 

[daveinprague]

"minor" ENOUGH SAID ABOUT YOU
regards
DR

Pointless post from pointless person. Well done.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Pointless post from pointless person. Well done.

far from it Mr pointless !
regards
DR

 

[daveinprague]

far from it Mr pointless !
regards
DR

Yeah, your post is a relevant, and worthwhile contribution.

 

[StonehamPark]

OK, so putting aside the "he knew the risks" argument, do you believe that in the year 2015, it is still justifiable for punishments such as public decapitations, the chopping off of limbs, stonings and floggings for what are relatively minor offences to exist ?

In our society in which we were all brought up, of course not.
In a Saudi Sharia Law society I imagine the locals would say yes,

I'm not happy that a fellow Brit is possibly going to go through torture for what I view as a 'nothing' offence.
However, those who abide by Saudi/Sharia Law will likely think otherwise.

We can't expect the whole world to be as lenient and tolerant as ourselves, unfortunately.

The same view goes for the drug-smuggling in South East Asia etc.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Yeah, your post is a relevant, and worthwhile contribution.

you don't like the truth DIP
regards
DR

 

[symyjym]

Bit weird to take in boot of car though. Could understand it, if his house had been raided, but in a car suggests transportation. Thats how western police would view it im sure, if it was drugs as an example. Not that clear how much was in the car is it?

I didn't read that bit.

 

[Easy 10]

No I dont, but the fact is, that is what the laws say there, and this guy new the laws... there have been thousands of people executed in Saudi over the last few years. When a westerner gets some fairly minor punishment, people go up the wall about it.
I dont believe in state murder by anybody, but whats better? Electric chair or beheading? **** me, there's a choice, wonder which is less barbaric. Death is death, and its all wrong, but, thats the law there.

In our society in which we were all brought up, of course not.
In a Saudi Sharia Law society I imagine the locals would say yes,

I'm not happy that a fellow Brit is possibly going to go through torture for what I view as a 'nothing' offence.
However, those who abide by Saudi/Sharia Law will likely think otherwise.

We can't expect the whole world to be as lenient and tolerant as ourselves, unfortunately.

The same view goes for the drug-smuggling in South East Asia etc.

Stepping back from long established laws in any given state, there is still a basic level of decency on a human level that should prevail if we are to be considered civilised human beings. Laws should be there for our protection, not as a means of oppressive control with medieval, barbaric methods of execution and mutilation if they are ever breached.

For that reason, I believe the Saudi regime to be subhuman.