Should UK pay reparations to Jamaica for slavery?

[5mins-from-amex]

I'm baffled as to what this thread has to do with race, migrants or travellers - as far as I can see there is no mention of any of those anywhere on this thread until your post, but I guess some people's lives are full of anxiety over Daily Mail readers and the EDF under the bed (the opposite of fear of reds under the bed). Opposing the idea of paying compensation to Jamaica is by no means a far right notion. There is no legal or moral obligation at all.

That is exactly what I thought when I read that post.

 

[Soulman]

The tone of my opening posts suggests that I don't agree with this proposal at all but it doesn't stop the far-right numpties on this forum (the usual suspects) seething and foaming at the mouth whenever anything to do with race, migrants or travellers is mentioned.

What are you on about..........

 

[5mins-from-amex]

Churchill would not allow famine relief to reach Bengal from Canada or America,and when told of the severity of it asked"Is Gandi dead yet?"

Not to be picky but he actually said ''why Gandhi hadn't died yet''

 

[lawros left foot]

Not to be picky but he actually said ''why Gandhi hadn't died yet''

He didn't speak very good English then, did he?

 

[GT49er]

He didn't speak very good English then, did he?

Not to be picky, but I think the fault there might lie with the poster, not Churchill (sorry, 5mins). If you substitute 'asked' for 'said' and omit the apostrophes, you will probably be much nearer to accuracy.
Not to be picky but he actually asked why Gandhi hadn't died yet. Better?

 

[Soulman]

He didn't speak very good English then, did he?

If he wasn't around then none of us would be speaking very good English.

 

[lawros left foot]

If he wasn't around then none of us would be speaking very good English.

Good point, well made

 

[alfredmizen]

Good point, well made

Just waiting for you to let me know how slavery (abolished in the US 150 odd years ago) is "massively affecting " all the countries the Europeans took slaves to ?

 

[wellquickwoody]

The tone of my opening posts suggests that I don't agree with this proposal at all but it doesn't stop the far-right numpties on this forum (the usual suspects) seething and foaming at the mouth whenever anything to do with race, migrants or travellers is mentioned.

The numptie bit I expect, but the FAR RIGHT bit I had missed. Right of centre, yes. Right of Labour without a doubt. Right of Corbyn, well I am just right where he is wrong.

You really are still wet behind the ears you soppy leftie liberal, come back when when the rose tint in your specs has faded a little and life has dented your vision of Utopia.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I think over many threads on this board where this subject has cropped up, nearly everyone agrees that we were no "angels", but to keep putting this country down, and i know some love to which beggars the question why do they live here, whilst seemingly attacking people that are worried about the atrocities that are happening now and not in our country, just seems a bit flaky. Whenever the subject comes up the position of some is to drag up our past, in many cases when the desired affect is not taken on board then we see it going back to centuries ago.
As i said, surely we are not that bad as many people from countries that in the PAST we were bad to....seem to be falling over themselves to get here, obviously they do not have long memories, or other reasons.

Why is acknowledging the mistakes of our history running our country down? Surely facing up to a past is a positive thing that shows strength, progress, duty, respect, and honour, something to be proud of as a nation that we can look our history in the face and not wish to brush it under the carpet.

 

[lawros left foot]

Just waiting for you to let me know how slavery (abolished in the US 150 odd years ago) is "massively affecting " all the countries the Europeans took slaves to ?

So how do you think all those African Americans got to America if their forefathers hadn't been taken there by slavers? If your Great Grandfather was a slave, and when he wss freed, he started at the very bottom of the ladder, how far up the ladder could you have climbed? Its a fact, the vast majority of slaves were black, and in America the black population is hugely disadvantaged compared to the white population, it is only a generation ago that the segregation laws in the south were rescinded, and those laws were a legacy of slavery. It is improving, apparently, but frustration will build ,and occasionally blow.

 

[jameswestport]

Barely six potatoes i would imagine.

Six counties anyways

 

[jameswestport]

http://listverse.com/2014/02/04/10-evil-crimes-of-the-british-empire/


scumbags

 

[KingKev]

Why do you feel shame? It's likely that your, and mine, forefathers were experiencing an existence not too dissimilar to the hellish lives of the colonial slaves.

Pretty much this. Different times. The U.K. General population wasn't living in some sort of pastoral idyll or comfortable gated community and counting their personal profits from slavery. They couldn't vote, had no meaningful education system or welfare state to fall back on, were largely either reliant on the Lord of the manor to not be a complete c@@t (living little better than slaves) in rural areas, herded into hazardous factories from the age of 5, starving or dying of typhoid or TB in city gutters and the poor house or getting hung or transported for nicking a crust of bread. (Excuse the hyperbole and mixing of timeframes, but you get what I mean...)
The way out of this was often either to join the armed forces and go f@ck up the lives of some people that had a different skin colour in foreign climes or to effectively offer to become a slave oneself through the indentured labour process.
My own grandparents were all "in service" for the greater parts of their working lives, and when they talked about those times it sounded only a rung or two up from slavery - that was in the 20th century, Generations after slavery was allegedly abolished.
Slavery and empire were about the rich looking after themselves as usual, not some mass conspiracy built by the British people that you and I need to feel guilty about.

If the Jamaicans want reparations, I'm sure they're also preparing to do the next logical, moral thing and give the whole island back to any Caribe "Indians" or other indigenous peoples that may still be about.....?

 

[alfredmizen]

Six counties anyways

Bollox, the majority want to stay within the UK, including a sizeable proportion, if not a majority of Catholics.

 

[alfredmizen]

So how do you think all those African Americans got to America if their forefathers hadn't been taken there by slavers? If your Great Grandfather was a slave, and when he wss freed, he started at the very bottom of the ladder, how far up the ladder could you have climbed? Its a fact, the vast majority of slaves were black, and in America the black population is hugely disadvantaged compared to the white population, it is only a generation ago that the segregation laws in the south were rescinded, and those laws were a legacy of slavery. It is improving, apparently, but frustration will build ,and occasionally blow.

yes , and now it's not like that, affirmative action and other policies have seen to that, using slavery to justify their woes is nothing but an excuse.

 

[jameswestport]

Bollox, the majority want to stay within the UK, including a sizeable proportion, if not a majority of Catholics.

I couldn't care either way but because he said six potatoes it popped into my head. Long live the Queen in my book.

 

[alfredmizen]

http://listverse.com/2014/02/04/10-evil-crimes-of-the-british-empire/


scumbags

You plastic paddies are such hypocrites , if we're so bad , Fvck off back to Ireland and live there, job done , simple , you won't have to deal with the nasty Brits anymore.

 

[alfredmizen]

I couldn't care either way but because he said six potatoes it popped into my head. Long live the Queen in my book.

Yes, that's why you said " six counties anyways"

 

[jameswestport]

Yes, that's why you said " six counties anyways"

What else have ye done to Ireland where six would be applicable. I was born in England, Mams English and I live in England. I couldn't give a flying **** about a bit of land. It's all just about power at the end of the day its night.