[News] Plane gone down in the French Alps?

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DavidinSouthampton

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You are describing the actions of a psychopath, not someone suffering from depression.

We have a very close friend who suffers from depression and has properly attempted suicide twice (I.e. Not cries for help). She has said that on both occasions, it seemed the most rational (her word!) course of action open to her.
 


Nibble

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Show some respect and stop with the antagonism. Shit stirring has no place for a thread like this.

You should be ashamed. There should be no excuse for your actions, especially as you're a Mod.

As soon as I saw this thread I thought I bet Megazone or one of his alter egos will be all over that with his odd behaviour, disrespecting the nature of the thread, accusing others of doing the same and generally acting like a child.

And you do not disappoint.
 




Triggaaar

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As soon as I saw this thread I thought I bet Megazone or one of his alter egos will be all over that with his odd behaviour, disrespecting the nature of the thread, accusing others of doing the same and generally acting like a child.

And you do not disappoint.
Oh god :facepalm: I should pay more attention to user names. I forgot it was the same person who pm'd me my address and said "Be-careful who you talk to. They might just know you. xxx"
 






PILTDOWN MAN

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Have read what is in "the Times" this morning. Wouldn't it be logical to make the cockpit area a complete separate unit i.e. with its own toilet facilities? Surely that could be done with no loss of integrity to the plane's fabric. Then it would not be necessary for crews to leave the cockpit area.
On smaller aircraft there's just not enough room as most front doors are very close to the cockpit entry. It maybe possible on larger aircraft but would need major work. The B747 has a toilet within the cockpit area (there is a small lobby area prior to the cockpit door).

747-400-EI-XLB.jpg
 


Nibble

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Oh god :facepalm: I should pay more attention to user names. I forgot it was the same person who pm'd me my address and said "Be-careful who you talk to. They might just know you. xxx"

Yes, he used another name to threaten me on PM. He's an ineffectual little runt though. Should be permanantly banned really.
 




Megazone

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Oh god :facepalm: I should pay more attention to user names. I forgot it was the same person who pm'd me my address and said "Be-careful who you talk to. They might just know you. xxx"

Come on Triggaar. Can we keep things more to do with the subject.

God knows why you feel the need to start writing out private messages on a thread like this?

I know where you used to live. Big deal! Hardly a plane crashing into a mountain......
 












Triggaaar

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Come on Triggaar. Can we keep things more to do with the subject.

God knows why you feel the need to start writing out private messages on a thread like this?
You implied you know me, so I replied and asked if you did and if I knew you, and had you have replied to that I wouldn't have thought it weird, but since you chose not to I thought it was a bit weird. I since saw that you pm'd other people some weird stuff and then you were getting weird on this thread (I quoted you and asked a question, and you just quoted my post without saying anything). So I thought your weird PMs to me were relevant to make sense of your weird behaviour in this thread.
 




Megazone

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You implied you know me, so I replied and asked if you did and if I knew you, and had you have replied to that I wouldn't have thought it weird, but since you chose not to I thought it was a bit weird. I since saw that you pm'd other people some weird stuff and then you were getting weird on this thread (I quoted you and asked a question, and you just quoted my post without saying anything). So I thought your weird PMs to me were relevant to make sense of your weird behaviour in this thread.

Okay.

Now you've got that off your chest. Can we all make an effort to keep this thread on subject please. (me included)
 


TheJasperCo

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Would be interesting to see how this changes people's thoughts on pilotless aircraft. We're in an era now where the first driverless cars are being tested on public roads, and most passenger flights now are fly-by-wire anyway (i.e. near as makes no difference - the planes fly themselves.) I reckon the majority of air disasters in recent years have been the result of pilot or ATC error. And yet, that being said, psychologically, people won't want to fly unless there's at least two human beings positioned at the controls.
 


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Would be interesting to see how this changes people's thoughts on pilotless aircraft. We're in an era now where the first driverless cars are being tested on public roads, and most passenger flights now are fly-by-wire anyway (i.e. near as makes no difference - the planes fly themselves.) I reckon the majority of air disasters in recent years have been the result of pilot or ATC error. And yet, that being said, psychologically, people won't want to fly unless there's at least two human beings positioned at the controls.

Slight problem with that, is the threat or perceived threat of malfunction or outside forces being able to control a plane.
 


Herr Tubthumper

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Would be interesting to see how this changes people's thoughts on pilotless aircraft. We're in an era now where the first driverless cars are being tested on public roads, and most passenger flights now are fly-by-wire anyway (i.e. near as makes no difference - the planes fly themselves.) I reckon the majority of air disasters in recent years have been the result of pilot or ATC error. And yet, that being said, psychologically, people won't want to fly unless there's at least two human beings positioned at the controls.

All things considered, and not wanting to belittle this or other accidents and incidents, flying is very safe. It makes sense to mandate two pilots in the cabin at all times as this is a simple common sense procedure but do we need to go further? I don't think so.
 




symyjym

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Would be interesting to see how this changes people's thoughts on pilotless aircraft. We're in an era now where the first driverless cars are being tested on public roads, and most passenger flights now are fly-by-wire anyway (i.e. near as makes no difference - the planes fly themselves.) I reckon the majority of air disasters in recent years have been the result of pilot or ATC error. And yet, that being said, psychologically, people won't want to fly unless there's at least two human beings positioned at the controls.

I don't think this would be 100% reliable because sometimes the autopilot hands back to control to the flight deck if readings are giving false information. The Air France disaster had a problem with the speed and altitude readings because the sensor (Pitot Tube) had frozen. This was then followed by pilot error.

The captain was out of the cockpit, the more experienced copilot was operating the radio system, and the less experienced copilot kept the nose up because of a false altitude reading, and in the end the plane went into a stall.

Interesting documentary here from 20:00

 


TheJasperCo

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I don't think this would be 100% reliable because sometimes the autopilot hands back to control to the flight deck if readings are giving false information. The Air France disaster had a problem with the speed and altitude readings because the sensor (Pitot Tube) had frozen. This was then followed by pilot error.

The captain was out of the cockpit, the more experienced copilot was operating the radio system, and the less experienced copilot kept the nose up because of a false altitude reading, and in the end the plane went into a stall.

Actually, you've indirectly made me think of another argument in favour of keeping pilots: how many incidents caused by technical and mechanical faults have been avoided due to the quick-thinking actions of the crew? Lots, I would say.
 


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