Ched Evans

[drew]

I'm not indignant, I just hadn't thought it through!

Fair enough.

 

[Beach Seagull]

I wonder if there would be such vitroil in the media and on here if Ched Evans was from an ethnic minority? Doubt it very much as it would be sailing too close to 'racism.' Don't remember such a backlash against Marlon King when he emerged from prison and signed for Coventry after being convicted of 'assault of young women who rejected his advances.' Don't remember (but willing to be corrected) a long condemnation thread on NSC, don't remember 'on-line petitions' either calling for him not to be employed as a professional footballer again.

 

[beorhthelm]

...Don't remember (but willing to be corrected) a long condemnation thread on NSC, don't remember 'on-line petitions' either calling for him not to be employed as a professional footballer again.

pretty sure there was, if not petitions definatly a strong feeling he shouldn't be welcome in the football world.

 

[DumLum]

ei kiitos

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

“Just because 12 people found him guilty, people should not necessarily listen to them,” said Kylie Evans

Genius.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I wonder if there would be such vitroil in the media and on here if Ched Evans was from an ethnic minority? Doubt it very much as it would be sailing too close to 'racism.' Don't remember such a backlash against Marlon King when he emerged from prison and signed for Coventry after being convicted of 'assault of young women who rejected his advances.' Don't remember (but willing to be corrected) a long condemnation thread on NSC, don't remember 'on-line petitions' either calling for him not to be employed as a professional footballer again.

Your point being?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Where the text is blue, it's a link.

 

[Paul Reids Sock]

I wonder if there would be such vitroil in the media and on here if Ched Evans was from an ethnic minority? Doubt it very much as it would be sailing too close to 'racism.' Don't remember such a backlash against Marlon King when he emerged from prison and signed for Coventry after being convicted of 'assault of young women who rejected his advances.' Don't remember (but willing to be corrected) a long condemnation thread on NSC, don't remember 'on-line petitions' either calling for him not to be employed as a professional footballer again.

How on earth has this got on to race?!

What Evans did is one of the absolute worst things you can do to someone. I don't care what colour, religion or show size you are. You shouldn't get such a short sentence and I would not want them anywhere near my club or an area of such influence.

I also remember a fair bit going on about Marlon King

 

[TonyW]

How on earth has this got on to race?!

What Evans did is one of the absolute worst things you can do to someone. I don't care what colour, religion or show size you are. You shouldn't get such a short sentence and I would not want them anywhere near my club or an area of such influence.

I also remember a fair bit going on about Marlon King

If he actually did it.
He says he didn't.

Would you be a happy bunny if it was you, and you were innocent, I think not.

 

[Da Man Clay]

If he actually did it.
He says he didn't.

Would you be a happy bunny if it was you, and you were innocent, I think not.

Just because you say you're innocent doesn't mean you are. Found guilty by a jury of his peers. He is a convicted rapist.

Not that I think that should stop him having a career. He's paid his debt to society.

 

[TonyW]

Oh yeah, I forgot, the jury is never wrong, and miscarriages of justice never happen in this country do they.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Oh yeah, I forgot, the jury is never wrong, and miscarriages of justice never happen in this country do they.

True. But nothing I have read has made me question this case. The jury were provided with the evidence and decided, beyond doubt, he is guilty. If Evans can show the evidence was incorrect, untrue, fabricated or there is new evidence then I'll reconsider. But until then I have no reason to believe him over a number of other people. All Evans seems to be doing is going over the same old ground which a judge and jury have already considered.

 

[clippedgull]

True. But nothing I have read has made me question this case. The jury were provided with the evidence and decided, beyond doubt, he is guilty. If Evans can show the evidence was incorrect, untrue, fabricated or there is new evidence then I'll reconsider. But until then I have no reason to believe him over a number of other people. All Evans seems to be doing is going over the same old ground which a judge and jury have already considered.

Absolutely.

Evans had no need to be at that hotel that night. The only reason he turned up was to have sex with the victim to whom he was alerted to by a text from his dodgy mate.

I can't see anyway he is going to clear his convicted rapist tag.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Oh yeah, I forgot, the jury is never wrong, and miscarriages of justice never happen in this country do they.

Our justice system is worthless then is it? That is basically what you're saying...

 

[TonyW]

It's one word against another.
I hope he manages to get this reopened, if only to get to the truth.

If he did it, then fair enough, if he didn't then I hope she rots in a cell for 2 and a half years.

 

[TonyW]

Our justice system is worthless then is it? That is basically what you're saying...

Has been proven wrong many many times.

 

[Da Man Clay]

Oh yeah, I forgot, the jury is never wrong, and miscarriages of justice never happen in this country do they.

It's not a perfect system. It's the system we work too in this country though. Should we just take the word of everyone who says they are innocent then?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

It's one word against another.
I hope he manages to get this reopened, if only to get to the truth.

If he did it, then fair enough, if he didn't then I hope she rots in a cell for 2 and a half years.

What is this truth then? As I have said, he isn't offering anything new. The judge and jury have heard his story, seen and heard the evidence, and decided beyond doubt they don't believe him. That's quite compelling. This truth, are you suggesting the evidence was incorrect or fabricated? Or is there new evidence? Or does he now have a different story? Which of these do you feel he has to turn this case around ?

 

[Creaky]

What is this truth then? As I have said, he isn't offering anything new. The judge and jury have heard his story, seen and heard the evidence, and decided beyond doubt they don't believe him. That's quite compelling. This truth, are you suggesting the evidence was incorrect or fabricated? Or is there new evidence? Or does he now have a different story? Which of these do you feel he has to turn this case around ?

Not sure it's a question of whether the jury believed Evans or not - after all had he not 'admitted' having sex with the girl there would have been no case to answer. What it all boils down to is a matter of judgement as to whether or not the girl was in a fit state to consent. The only hard evidence was the CCTV footage - the jury presumably felt that this was persuasive enough to convince them that she was so drunk she couldn't give consent.

I can't see how any appeal is ever likely to succeed because this will depend on new evidence that had the original jury been aware of might have caused them to come to a different decision. What new evidence can there be?

 

[Surrey_Albion]

I feel sorry for the girl who will see him in the press and on match of the day making a few thousand a game and applauded by fans