Do you think the JOCKS will vote YES ?

[Bold Seagull]

its not "muddled", its an outright contradiction. there's other policy issues they do this on too. i'm surprised the No campaign didn't make more of this, the practical implications and outcomes, rather than move onto emotional ground where i don't think they have a strong suit.

I think tactically at least, they've been weary of the accusation of scare-mongering. The Yes campaign has been careful not to get drawn into factual specifics, and when the No campaign has, I think it's been seen as negativity which is why they moved to more emotional ground where actually this is being fought.

In some ways this has been a sensible approach. Why should the No campaign outline what will happen if they vote Yes - instead, campaign for what will happen after a No vote, and the importance of the Union which I think they've been doing fairly well since the almighty kick up the backsides they got 2 or 3 weeks ago.

 

[Captain Sensible]

Whatever happens, this has been an exemplary example of democracy. Rest of the world take note. Why not try the same thing in Donetsk, instead of all the violence.

I don't think anyone should learn a lesson from this referendum. It's been the perfect example of when democracy doesn't work very well. Also if you live in England, Wales or Northern Ireland it's incredibly undemocratic.

 

[Seasidesage]

I think it's been fantastic, there has been great debate and there will be a perfect democratic vote. The only criticism I have is letting 16 years olds vote, a majority of that age group will not truly appreciate the importance of this or have the knowledge to vote reasonably.

Also, your idea that the rest of the UK should be able vote on Scottish independence is utterly ridiculous. It's like the European population getting to vote on whether the UK should stay in the EU, if that referendum happens.

Shouldn't we have the right to vote on English independence then? I for one would cast the rest of them adrift tomorrow...

 

[Mattywerewolf]

I think it's been fantastic, there has been great debate and there will be a perfect democratic vote. The only criticism I have is letting 16 years olds vote, a majority of that age group will not truly appreciate the importance of this or have the knowledge to vote reasonably.

Also, your idea that the rest of the UK should be able vote on Scottish independence is utterly ridiculous. It's like the European population getting to vote on whether the UK should stay in the EU, if that referendum happens.

Agree on not letting 16 year olds vote. Strongly disagree with not letting Scots living in England vote, while letting English living in Scotland vote. Seems to clearly skew the vote in the YES voters direction. I'd also concur that its not very democratic for all the English, Welsh and Irish who will be directly impacted by a YES but don't have a say.

 

[Nibble]

English, Welsh and Irish should all get a vote.

 

[Captain Sensible]

I think it's been fantastic, there has been great debate and there will be a perfect democratic vote. The only criticism I have is letting 16 years olds vote, a majority of that age group will not truly appreciate the importance of this or have the knowledge to vote reasonably.

Also, your idea that the rest of the UK should be able vote on Scottish independence is utterly ridiculous. It's like the European population getting to vote on whether the UK should stay in the EU, if that referendum happens.

Firstly a referendum whereby you know not exactly what you are voting for or indeed against, packed with lies, claim and counter-claim instead of any facts, is not a way to hold a referendum of this importance. To use an NSC expression, its tinpot. I agree to allow under 18's to vote is a mistake. Secondly, the debate has been sparked mainly because no body knows what is going to happen, all the discussions are guesswork.

Lastly, I am not saying that we should have a referendum in the rUK about Scotland leaving, I'm just saying sometimes democracy is very undemocratic, as in this case. Although the terms under which they leave or stay maybe should be in a referendum, yet sadly I don't believe we will get that chance.

 

[Captain Sensible]

Bookies and Markets don't believe this is going to happen, Odds on yes are widening and the GBP and FTSE are up across the board. In fact investors are putting their money back in the GBP. Its up over a dollar against the USD.

 

[The Spanish]

Agree on not letting 16 year olds vote. Strongly disagree with not letting Scots living in England vote, while letting English living in Scotland vote. Seems to clearly skew the vote in the YES voters direction. I'd also concur that its not very democratic for all the English, Welsh and Irish who will be directly impacted by a YES but don't have a say.

How do you define a scot?

 

[Mattywerewolf]

How do you define a scot?

Willing to wear a Kilt at a wedding? A good question seriously but perhaps using domicile type rules as for tax purposes. Not someone who was born and brought up in England and moved there 3 months ago with a Bulldog tattoo on their right A*** Cheek

 

[The Spanish]

Willing to wear a Kilt at a wedding? A good question seriously but perhaps using domicile type rules as for tax purposes. Not someone who was born and brought up in England and moved there 3 months ago with a Bulldog tattoo on their right A*** Cheek

No if Scotland is genuinely a multi racial society with no formal or official national personality currently, then it can only be based on residency. Even place of birth should not be considered.

What we are saying is people who self identify as Scottish due to place of birth or background should be able to vote if they live elsewhere. That's unworkable. I cannot see why people don't get that.

We are jumping through hoops to avoid the massive ethno nationalist aspect of this whole caper. Especially the snp who are in fairness brilliant at it.

Should people born in Brighton be able to vote in Brighton council elections if they live in Stornaway ?

 

[The Birdman]

No if Scotland is genuinely a multi racial society with no formal or official national personality currently, then it can only be based on residency. Even place of birth should not be considered.

What we are saying is people who self identify as Scottish due to place of birth or background should be able to vote if they live elsewhere. That's unworkable. I cannot see why people don't get that.

We are jumping through hoops to avoid the massive ethno nationalist aspect of this whole caper. Especially the snp who are in fairness brilliant at it.

Should people born in Brighton be able to vote in Brighton council elections if they live in Stornaway ?

if yes win do Scottish living in England do they need a Scottish or English passport if Scottish do they need a work permit to carry on working in the England

 

[The Spanish]

I think it's been fantastic, there has been great debate and there will be a perfect democratic vote. The only criticism I have is letting 16 years olds vote, a majority of that age group will not truly appreciate the importance of this or have the knowledge to vote reasonably.

Also, your idea that the rest of the UK should be able vote on Scottish independence is utterly ridiculous. It's like the European population getting to vote on whether the UK should stay in the EU, if that referendum happens.

When we have been in the eu three hundred years and share a common language culture and island with them I will make you right

 

[Eeyore]

 

[beorhthelm]

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invite for a curry? x

 

[happypig]

Speaking to one of my Scottish comrades the other night and he said he wouldn't trust Salmond to see him a second hand car, let alone independance. His view, along with a lot of the others who work there, is that there's just too much uncertainty for him to take a leap of faith even though in his heart he'd like to.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Speaking to one of my Scottish comrades the other night and he said he wouldn't trust Salmond to see him a second hand car, let alone independance. His view, along with a lot of the others who work there, is that there's just too much uncertainty for him to take a leap of faith even though in his heart he'd like to.

Good. I have previously quite liked the bloke - bit of a political scrapper against the established parties. The more I have seen him in this campaign the more he looks like a snake-oil salesman - promising everything to everyone. I completely distrust him.

 

[Mattywerewolf]

No IF Scotland is genuinely a multi racial society with no formal or official national personality currently, then it can only be based on residency. Even place of birth should not be considered.

What we are saying is people who self identify as Scottish due to place of birth or background should be able to vote if they live elsewhere. That's unworkable. I cannot see why people don't get that.

We are jumping through hoops to avoid the massive ethno nationalist aspect of this whole caper. Especially the snp who are in fairness brilliant at it.

Should people born in Brighton be able to vote in Brighton council elections if they live in Stornaway ?

Replaced your IF with a big one....So in your opinion people who have emigrated to Scotland in the last few years have more right to determine its destination that those that have been Scottish in blood for years but happen to currently reside in England. Excuse me but sounds like BLX to me. Might make it tricky to work through who is Scottish, but a simple solution which is inequitable doesn't sound like a good basis for such an important decision. Robert the Bruce (and Mel Gibson) would be turning in their graves at the thought of how easy it could be to gain independence. Your Brighton analogy is laughable. Bit more at stake than whether or not we have to put up with more Greens.

 

[Vegas Seagull]

Backed a high 'NO' vote, decided that they will bottle out on the day in large numbers

Job done, apparently that makes in 10 out of 13 referendiddymen that have polled a lower negative/no change vote than the most recent opinion polls estimated.
People generally shy away from change (will they next May?)

 

[Triggaaar]

Scotland are the teenager that wanted to run away from home, but have come back as they need more pocket money.

 

[The Spanish]

Scotland are the teenager that wanted to run away from home, but have come back as they need more pocket money.

No I understand completely why the jocks get he hump sometimes, for balance. For example Last bank holiday the BBC announced it was a uk bank holiday on national news, when it wasn't in Scotland. Might sound trivial and semantic, but as an Englishman living in Scotland I cringed and thought bloody hell we don't help ourselves sometimes. This was picked up massively in Scotland. This is our state broadcaster getting it wrong. I am a unionist but ffs do yourselves a favour.