bomber130
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- Jun 10, 2011
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Can't disagree with that
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Peaches Geldof dies age 25!!!
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Can't disagree with that
OzMike
Well-known member
So relatively speaking you're saying one is sadder than the other, go and tell Sir Bob that.
These events are causing pain and suffering to a greater number of people, but they are absolutely not causing MORE pain to the individuals involved.
Nibble
New member
- Jan 3, 2007
- 19,238
I find these public outpourings of grief quite fascinating. I think their is an element of attention seeking to it all along with an element of people almost practicing how they would feel if one of their loved ones died. You only have to see how quickly people say "I have a daughter/son/sister/terrapin and god alone knows what I would do if they died like this". I dunno? Go on NSC?
GingerBeerMan
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- Dec 29, 2011
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My point wasn't about the individuals involved, it was the countless people on Facebook who it has no bearing on yet feel the need to jump on the bandwagon of suddenly caring. If this really causes genuine sadness they must have quite a narrow view of the world.
Er, isn't that what you did when your mother died?
To aid your understanding. Why young women care: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/wo...f-was-the-perfect-alternative-role-model.html
Perhaps it's because we hear of tragedy every day, and often on a much larger scale, that we become desensitized to it.
A strange point of view. " It does not personally affect me, so I don't give a f*ck " It is just a basic compassion and empathy.
What a sad sack of stale barren crap.
Billy the Fish
Technocrat
I agree that some of it goes too far, there appears to be and element of competitive grief on social media sometimes.
But there's nothing wrong with a bit of empathy when a loved one dies. Death is the one thing that we all have to deal with regardless of race or social background - death puts us all on the same level and grief is the same regardless of your upbringing, personality or bank balance.
MattBackHome
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- Jul 7, 2003
- 11,731
Agreed - I absolutely love the poem, but don't see any 'truth' in it, beyond it beyong an obvious depiction of Larkin's unease around children and hints of his misanthropy. It's great IMHO because it's both jaunty and depressing at the same time - like The Smiths - and because it kind of encapsulates what Larkin was all about.
And for the full effect, here is Captain Curmudgeon reading it himself:
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Don't wait for me!
http://www.theguardian.com/media/gr...peaches-geldof-national-newspapers?CMP=twt_gu
Peaches Geldof - was the coverage by newspapers, and TV, over the top?
The sudden death of a young woman, especially the daughter of a man as famous as Bob Geldof and with a history of family tragedy, was bound to be a headline event.
When news broke that Peaches Geldof had died, aged 25, the Sky News presenter momentarily floundered. Similarly, the BBC's news channel had some unusually nervous moments.
What followed was a couple of hours of vacuous, and sometimes embarrassing, interviews with "commentators" who endlessly repeated that it was a tragedy, that it echoed the early death of her mother, Paula Yates, and that Peaches had led an unconventional life. Twitter was scanned for quotable quotes.
She was variously described as a journalist, TV presenter, DJ, model, "fashion icon", mother of two, twice-married. There were also vague references to her being "too thin".
The story led the main evening news programmes, pushing down the order developments in Ukraine, the Maria Miller controversy and the Oscar Pistorius trial. It also garnered much more coverage than the death of 93-year-old "legendary" film star Mickey Rooney.
Meanwhile, newspapers were able to prepare their news reports, analyses, picture research and tributes without the difficulty of sitting in front of a camera.
Most editors decided that the TV news shows were right to give the Peaches Geldof story top billing. Some devoted their entire front page to it, such as the Daily Mail, The Sun, Daily Mirror, Daily Star and Metro.
In so doing, they overturned their previous plans to give pictorial pride of place to the Duchess of Cambridge and her son in Australia.
Almost every other paper (with the notable exceptions of The Independent and the Financial Times) carried front page pictures and articles about Peaches.
Every editor, I noted, avoided the temptation to speculate on the cause of her death, respectfully repeating the statement issued by the police.
Most of the articles nosed off on Bob Geldof's statement, and the headline writers (at the Daily Telegraph, The Times, The Guardian and Daily Mail) also relied on his words: "We are beyond pain."
I thought Metro's front page bordered on tastelessness. It used the picture Peaches had posted on Twitter of herself, as a baby, in her mother's arms with the headline, "Together again." The Sun did roughly the same inside, using the same picture and the headline, "With mum."
The Sun, with seven pages, devoted most space to the story. But its main articles were readable and, in the circumstances, reasonable pieces of work. It stuck, in the main, to facts.
Elsewhere, there were instances of speculation about her state of mind, such as the Mail's piece, ""She never got over losing Paula at 11", but it was a sensible assessment of what Peaches had said and written about the subject.
By far the most surprising article was the Telegraph's formal obituary, which was an excellent piece of work given the available time frame. Although it was placed below the one for Mickey Rooney, it was longer and the contrast between the two illustrated the nature of modern celebrity as opposed to that of old Hollywood.
Peaches, it began, "was a journalist, model and television presenter. But her chief occupation was being Peaches Geldof, daughter of the celebrities Bob Geldof and Paula Yates. This was by no means an easy task."
It went on to describe the progress of a young woman raised in the shadow of celebrified parents, one of whom died when she was 11. In trying to come to terms with fame, she struggled to find both a role for herself and an anchor for her life, as her dabbling with various religions appeared to show. Of all the articles in today's national newspapers, it was the best read.
Inevitably, we are bound to ask why a 25-year-old woman should engender so much coverage. What is it about our 2014 news values that dictated such a response?
Yes, celebrity, is at its heart. It is also the case that when people die young and unexpectedly the uniqueness of the event affects the coverage.
But when we stand back from this in, say, a year's time, it is highly likely that we journalists will reflect on whether the media response was over the top.
Peaches Geldof - was the coverage by newspapers, and TV, over the top?
The sudden death of a young woman, especially the daughter of a man as famous as Bob Geldof and with a history of family tragedy, was bound to be a headline event.
When news broke that Peaches Geldof had died, aged 25, the Sky News presenter momentarily floundered. Similarly, the BBC's news channel had some unusually nervous moments.
What followed was a couple of hours of vacuous, and sometimes embarrassing, interviews with "commentators" who endlessly repeated that it was a tragedy, that it echoed the early death of her mother, Paula Yates, and that Peaches had led an unconventional life. Twitter was scanned for quotable quotes.
She was variously described as a journalist, TV presenter, DJ, model, "fashion icon", mother of two, twice-married. There were also vague references to her being "too thin".
The story led the main evening news programmes, pushing down the order developments in Ukraine, the Maria Miller controversy and the Oscar Pistorius trial. It also garnered much more coverage than the death of 93-year-old "legendary" film star Mickey Rooney.
Meanwhile, newspapers were able to prepare their news reports, analyses, picture research and tributes without the difficulty of sitting in front of a camera.
Most editors decided that the TV news shows were right to give the Peaches Geldof story top billing. Some devoted their entire front page to it, such as the Daily Mail, The Sun, Daily Mirror, Daily Star and Metro.
In so doing, they overturned their previous plans to give pictorial pride of place to the Duchess of Cambridge and her son in Australia.
Almost every other paper (with the notable exceptions of The Independent and the Financial Times) carried front page pictures and articles about Peaches.
Every editor, I noted, avoided the temptation to speculate on the cause of her death, respectfully repeating the statement issued by the police.
Most of the articles nosed off on Bob Geldof's statement, and the headline writers (at the Daily Telegraph, The Times, The Guardian and Daily Mail) also relied on his words: "We are beyond pain."
I thought Metro's front page bordered on tastelessness. It used the picture Peaches had posted on Twitter of herself, as a baby, in her mother's arms with the headline, "Together again." The Sun did roughly the same inside, using the same picture and the headline, "With mum."
The Sun, with seven pages, devoted most space to the story. But its main articles were readable and, in the circumstances, reasonable pieces of work. It stuck, in the main, to facts.
Elsewhere, there were instances of speculation about her state of mind, such as the Mail's piece, ""She never got over losing Paula at 11", but it was a sensible assessment of what Peaches had said and written about the subject.
By far the most surprising article was the Telegraph's formal obituary, which was an excellent piece of work given the available time frame. Although it was placed below the one for Mickey Rooney, it was longer and the contrast between the two illustrated the nature of modern celebrity as opposed to that of old Hollywood.
Peaches, it began, "was a journalist, model and television presenter. But her chief occupation was being Peaches Geldof, daughter of the celebrities Bob Geldof and Paula Yates. This was by no means an easy task."
It went on to describe the progress of a young woman raised in the shadow of celebrified parents, one of whom died when she was 11. In trying to come to terms with fame, she struggled to find both a role for herself and an anchor for her life, as her dabbling with various religions appeared to show. Of all the articles in today's national newspapers, it was the best read.
Inevitably, we are bound to ask why a 25-year-old woman should engender so much coverage. What is it about our 2014 news values that dictated such a response?
Yes, celebrity, is at its heart. It is also the case that when people die young and unexpectedly the uniqueness of the event affects the coverage.
But when we stand back from this in, say, a year's time, it is highly likely that we journalists will reflect on whether the media response was over the top.
The Truth
Banned
My thoughts go out to everyone who died today.
Bad Ash
Unregistered User
I think the point Nibble was making was regards to people grieving over someone they don't personally know as a way of seeking attention and/or making a reference how they might feel if a family member of theirs was to die in a similar way.
So, no, I don't think he did.
The Truth
Banned
He posted on NSC that his mother died. People gave nibble the sympathy and empathy he was in need of.
Now someone else dies and nibble thinks it a load of attention seeking emotional porn.
I guess some people count themselves as more important?
Bad Ash
Unregistered User
But why make a public display of compassion and empathy for one person you don't know rather than the 1000's of others who die each day?
The Truth
Banned
Whats the harm in thinking for at least 1 of those 1000's who've died?
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
The latest report is that no hard drugs nor suicide note have been found.
Bad Ash
Unregistered User
But Nibble isn't having a go at Bob or anyone else who personally knew Peaches that are legitimately grieving. He's referring to the people who didn't know her but decided to display some 'grief' on Facebook. If you can't see the difference between those situations then you're going to struggle to find the truth.