Poyet tonight.....5 at the back with 2 holding.....

[Commander]

So to clarify, you don't think we have the quality players to take the game to others with an attacking 4-4-2, with maybe being a little more open at the back but a lot more attacking going forward.....Because I do.....But the only time we look to be more offensive is when we go 1-0 down and have to chase the game. Then we actually look a bit of a threat.

The problem is that you think any formation without two strikers up front is defensive. The way we set up is not a defensive formation, it's an attacking formation. You don't seem to understand that having two attacking midfielders attacking with a striker and two or three more behind them is just as attacking as having two strikers. Our problem is the midfielders we have available aren't creative enough to play this way very well at the moment.

You know when we pass it around the back, which you hate so much, do you understand why we do it?

 

[kevtherev]

That doesn't alter the fact that you said Vicente wouldn't play in ten games until the end of the 2011/12 season which he did. Don't try to wriggle out of it by posting insults about others.

I think you will find two years ago, I said I got it wrong about Vicente playing the ten games. But we all know why he done it.......and who have I insulted, or did you just choose to add that bit for whatever reason

 

[Diego Napier]

Oh yeah, I was really wrong about Vicente, what a contribution he made to the cause......where was he when most needed and fit .....Oh yeah, sitting on his arse when fit, because he had fallen out with the tosser I was so wrong about as well.....The whole Vicente sage could have had a fantastic ending, on a magical night at the Amex against our biggest rivals and then he could have strutted his stuff at Wembley, in the play off final.....But once Poyet decided he was off, it was all scuppered.

The more that you post on this thread (and in general any posts you make) the more irrational you make yourself look. Haven't you the sense to leave it aht?

 

[kevtherev]

The problem is that you think any formation without two strikers up front is defensive. The way we set up is not a defensive formation, it's an attacking formation. You don't seem to understand that having two attacking midfielders attacking with a striker and two or three more behind them is just as attacking as having two strikers. Our problem is the midfielders we have available aren't creative enough to play this way very well at the moment.

You know when we pass it around the back, which you hate so much, do you understand why we do it?

A manager get paid to manage. If you don't have the players available to play a formation, then you change the formation, not just stick square pegs in round holes.....I understand why some people think we do it. To draw out the opposition and then pick though them. But that's not what happens is it Team just sit there, let us tap it around knowing we can't hurt them and they will eventually get chances. That's why teams sit back against us, they know what we are going to do and it's very predictable. Like Gary Neville said, he was never worried about a team having possession of the ball in front of them, tapping it about because they weren't hurting them.

 

[Grombleton]

That doesn't alter the fact that you said Vicente wouldn't play in ten games until the end of the 2011/12 season which he did. Don't try to wriggle out of it by posting insults about others.

He also proudly claimed that we wouldn't see Bridcutt in a Brighton shirt this season. He went suspiciously (read, like he always does) quiet when he was proved wrong.

 

[kevtherev]

The more that you post on this thread (and in general any posts you make) the more irrational you make yourself look. Haven't you the sense to leave it aht?

I just can't believe some people can't see the woods for the trees. I challenge anyone to say the whole Vicente saga was not a complete was of funds and in the end disruptive to the side as a whole.......Even though he was probably the most gifted player to ever pull on an Albion shirt.

 

[kevtherev]

He also proudly claimed that we wouldn't see Bridcutt in a Brighton shirt this season. He went suspiciously (read, like he always does) quiet when he was proved wrong.

Lol, Bridcutt played to get his fitness up for his move, which was done long before January.

 

[kevo]

Sunderland would surely have won if they had a British manager, eh Kev?

 

[Commander]

A manager get paid to manage. If you don't have the players available to play a formation, then you change the formation, not just stick square pegs in round holes.....I understand why some people think we do it. To draw out the opposition and then pick though them. But that's not what happens is it Team just sit there, let us tap it around knowing we can't hurt them and they will eventually get chances. That's why teams sit back against us, they know what we are going to do and it's very predictable. Like Gary Neville said, he was never worried about a team having possession of the ball in front of them, tapping it about because they weren't hurting them.

Well that depends if you have a philosophy or not, or a vision of how you want the club to go. If you want to play a certain way and want to have an identity and want to have a culture and a way of doing things, then you use that way from the top down. From the 1st team down to the under 8s. That's what Poyet started, and that's what Oscar is continuing and what Bloom has decided he wants to do. So you might as well get used to it.

All last season you were moaning about how we just tapped it around and got nowhere and it was pointless etc and it didn't work and we ended up finishing one victory from automatic promotion. But then of course you went quiet in the last few months when we were winning nearly every game we played. We got rid of the guy who had taken us so far (another one of your Nostradamus like predictions- "he won't be here at the end of this season / next season / the season after / see, I was right") as you wanted, and it set us back a year. We're now about where we were in Gus' first season at the Amex, or probably a bit ahead. So next season is the one to judge Oscar on.

I love the way you think Sunderland should just go to Anfield and attack, like it's that easy. Like these hugely experienced foreign managers who know the game inside out and come from countries that have outsmarted England time and time again have it all wrong, and if you were in charge you'd just go 4-4-2 and attack and everything would be great. It's as if you're 13 years old playing football manager, but the sad thing is, you aren't, I think you're a fully functioning adult who has been watching football for a long time. Amazing how someone can watch so much of something, yet learn so little about it.

 

[Bold Seagull]

A manager get paid to manage. If you don't have the players available to play a formation, then you change the formation, not just stick square pegs in round holes.....

Hasn't Oscar done exactly what you're describing?

He hasn't got a wealth of attacking talent at his disposal at the moment, so he's playing to the strengths of what he has - exactly as you've said.

I haven't actually seen many teams sit back against us, not like last season. Teams have been pressing us high up the pitch, keeping a high line as well. That's why we've on occasions tried too many longer balls over the top as there has been space in behind. All our recent home games I think have been marked by the away team closing us down in our own half - the opposite to what you're suggesting. The big difference is that we're so well organised, solid and hard to break down, teams also find it hard to create chances against us. I genuinely think you either don't really watch the games, or have such a preconceived idea of what is happening, that you only see the picture you want to see.

 

[Commander]

I just can't believe some people can't see the woods for the trees. I challenge anyone to say the whole Vicente saga was not a complete was of funds and in the end disruptive to the side as a whole.......Even though he was probably the most gifted player to ever pull on an Albion shirt.

I think the point with the Vicente saga was that it was a gamble. It was always a gamble, and we would never have had a player of that calibre playing for us if it wasn't. In hindsight, was he worth the wages? Well he won us more points than plenty of other players on the payroll have, and we got to see the best player I've ever seen play for the club. So I think it was, but I totally understand why a lot of people don't.

I would say it's bizarre that you didn't like it, because your whole outlook on the game seems to be about reckless attacking and taking chances, which is exactly what the Vicente saga was about, but then when I think about it it isn't bizarre at all- he's foreign. And we all know how you hate a foreigner in football.

 

[Commander]

Lol, Bridcutt played to get his fitness up for his move, which was done long before January.

Funny how you know this now, but didn't suggest it was going to happen at the time, when you told everyone there was no way we'd ever see him again. And I seem to remember you saying the opposite, that he wasn't playing so he didn't get injured and ruin his move. So which was it?

 

[JCL666]

"Liverpool are iffy at the back"

That is funny. 6th best defence (based on goals conceded) in the Prem. 3rd if you consider just their home games.

Weird how people they say things without it being based on any type of fact.

Rogers actually referred to criticism of Liverpools defence as "Lazy" only the other day. He has a point.

 

[OzMike]

I still got a sneaky suspicion that Sunderland may stay up, all down to getting 1 point from the last game, it's bound to happen.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

We weren't that good. Knocked out in the second round against the first true contenders for the trophy we faced. We also lost one of the group games too.

We've never been that good, but that was a team that looked like it could win something. We would have beaten the Argies if it wasn't for Beckham's kick or a referee disallowing a perfectly good goal. We were robbed in that game

 

[Stat Brother]

Hmmm losing by the odd goal, away from home, to a high flying team, scoring for fun, that according to 5-live 'were hanging on at the end' (because Liverpool had switched off ).

So where's Kev's Fickle Finger of Self-Righteous Doom going to point to next?

Poyet (foreign managers, subtle) Greer, Burke, have been recent recipients, during this horrendous loss of form.

Alternatively we could beat Middlesborough and Blackburn which will magically stop Kev from going down to the library in order to log on to here.

Surely if ever the team needed a justification to win, it's that.

 

[KZNSeagull]

Liverpool 5 shots in first 10 minutes...but none on target

I blame Oscar.

 

[kevtherev]

Funny how you know this now, but didn't suggest it was going to happen at the time, when you told everyone there was no way we'd ever see him again. And I seem to remember you saying the opposite, that he wasn't playing so he didn't get injured and ruin his move. So which was it?

I know a lot I dont post on here my friend.A) Because no one believes you and B) The dogs abuse you get....So I think I will keep my court...Look forward to another interesting summer though..

 

[Commander]

I know a lot I dont post on here my friend.A) Because no one believes you and B) The dogs abuse you get....So I think I will keep my court...Look forward to another interesting summer though..

So do I. I would wager more than you.

Funny you claim to be in the know, yet are consistently proved wrong over and over again. It's embarrassing, especially when your response is to just hide and not post until we start losing again.

 

[kevtherev]

So do I. I would wager more than you.

Funny you claim to be in the know, yet are consistently proved wrong over and over again. It's embarrassing, especially when your response is to just hide and not post until we start losing again.

Yet you thing all is well....Interesting....Wonder if certain players who have since departed would agree....We will see.