Man Utd & Moyes getting BOOED

[jackanada]

Manchester United don't really have owners. The joy of the leveraged buyout is that while over £650 mill has gone out in interest payments (a fair amount of which will make it back to the 'owners') and many millions in management/directors fees (going directly to the 'owners') they can walk away with all that gravy and no possible comeback any time they like.
While they will re-invest some money to keep milking the cash cow there may come a tipping point where the return doesnt seem worth it. Then you have a dead cow.

 

[Justice]

Cant see any top player wanting to play for Moyes I wouldn't if I was in that position.

 

[Bwian]

Cant see any top player wanting to play for Moyes I wouldn't if I was in that position.

Great isn't it?

 

[joeinbrighton]

Cant see any top player wanting to play for Moyes I wouldn't if I was in that position.

When Dennis Bergkamp joined Arsenal, their manager was Bruce Rioch. Can't imagine he joined because it was his lifetime's ambition to play for Rioch.

 

[Justice]

When Dennis Bergkamp joined Arsenal, their manager was Bruce Rioch. Can't imagine he joined because it was his lifetime's ambition to play for Rioch.

Bergkamp rejuvenated his career at Arsenal, hardly like signing someone like Robert Lewandowski in today's market.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

When Dennis Bergkamp joined Arsenal, their manager was Bruce Rioch. Can't imagine he joined because it was his lifetime's ambition to play for Rioch.

When Nouha Dicko joined Rotherham United their manager was/is Steve Evans. Can't imagine he joined because it was his lifetime's ambition to play for Evans.

 

[El Presidente]

No, I see it as United not having had the resources to compete with the top clubs for at least three, maybe five, years now. The fact Sir Alex kept them at the top table was testament to his skills only. As we are seeing, David Moyes has only a fraction of the ability so will drag United down to a position that reflects the talent in their squad (around 5th in the EPL). No manager can build a squad that is good enough to compete with the best in England and Europe in the hands of an average manager on a fraction of the budget of their rivals over many years. Sir Alex's only crime is backing Moyes as his successor, because had they done the right thing and hired Jose they may have had a chance of continuing to be greater than the sum of their parts.

United had a wage bill of £162m in 2011/12 and this increased 11.6% in 2012/13, which seems inconsistent with your view that they're struggling.

Chelsea and City do have higher wage bills, a lot of Chelsea's in due to management payoffs.

 

[joeinbrighton]

Bergkamp rejuvenated his career at Arsenal, hardly like signing someone like Robert Lewandowski in today's market.

He did as it turned out, although that was more down to the manager that followed Rioch than Rioch himself. The point I'm making is that players aren't necessarily going to join a club just because of who is the manager. Arsenal finished 11th the previous season before Bergkamp joined, but that didn't put him off either. Manchester United will still be able to attract some players because they are an established name in European football and if they can see they have ambition, they may well be prepared to join them even if they are not at David Moyes' feet worshipping him. The big deal breaker that is different now to in 1995 is the Champions League. Having no Champions League football to offer could be problematic where there is an auction competing for a player's services. Either way, Lewandowski is a red herring as he was always going to end up at Bayern Munich.

 

[Ernest]

If they sacked Moyes who would be there to step up to the plate ? He only got the gig as he was deemed best of those available

 

[joeinbrighton]

If they sacked Moyes who would be there to step up to the plate ? He only got the gig as he was deemed best of those available

I'd be interested to see what happens with Juergen Klopp at Dortmund. Signed a new contract through to 2018 not so long ago, but since then Dortmund's league form has taken a nosedive and they have started to sell off the family silver with Lewandowski going to Bayern in the summer and Reus possibly also off, following on from Gotze last summer and there will also be interest in Subotic when he comes back from injury. I wouldn't be surprised if Klopp and Dortmund part company ahead of schedule.

 

[El Presidente]

It's a combination of injuries (RVP, Rooney, Vidic and WGT have all been out a lot this season), age (Giggs, WGT, Potty Paddy and Scholes), poor signings for the last few years (De Gea and RVP excluded), but Kigawa, Young, Zaha, Anderson, Valencia represent £80 million of moderate ability and proper competition.

SAF has been exposed tactically on the European stage for some time. United's buying power and the civil war at Chelsea gave him a huge advantage domestically, plus the good fortune in signing Cantona.

 

[Gazwag]

Seats emptied quicker than at the Emirates when Arsenal aren't winning.

Or the Amex on a Tuesday night as we are pressing for a winner.

 

[beorhthelm]

...poor signings for the last few years (De Gea and RVP excluded),

are we calling De Gea a good signing now? still seems suspect and lacking in confidence and stature at times. improved a great deal, from a low base, still unconvincing for the level he's supposed to be playing (though midtable might be a fair reflection... )

 

[joeinbrighton]

are we calling De Gea a good signing now? still seems suspect and lacking in confidence and stature at times. improved a great deal, from a low base, still unconvincing for the level he's supposed to be playing (though midtable might be a fair reflection... )

Well his peers named him as the goalkeeper in the Premier League team of the season last season, which is a good sign. The main difficulty he had was coming for crosses in a crowded penalty area. Hardly surprising given that aerial crosses are as rare as hen's teeth in La Liga, so he had to adapt. He's a very good shot stopper who is agile and positions himself well and is still very young for a goalkeeper at a big club, but would certainly be among the top 5 goalkeepers in the Premier League again this season.

 

[El Presidente]

are we calling De Gea a good signing now? still seems suspect and lacking in confidence and stature at times. improved a great deal, from a low base, still unconvincing for the level he's supposed to be playing (though midtable might be a fair reflection... )

He's looking much better IMO. No worse than the others in the top six or so clubs. Fee still top heavy though.

 

[catfish]

Great isn't it?

Bloody marvellous

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Thing is all big clubs go through this.

Those that remember the great Liverpool teams would agree. They promoted managers from within and the teams were rebuilt slowly with players being signed years before they appeared in the first team. Once there, they slotted in perfectly. There appeared to be no end to their dominance. Slowly though they become beatable, Anfield wasn't so feared and so they fell into the pack. Arsenal were the same then Utd and the Fergie era. Problem is unlike Liverpool and Arsenal, United's dominance or rather their now lack of it is being played out on 24 hour Worldwide sports news.

A whole generation, one used to the 24 hour media, has witnessed this dominance, to them there's never been anything before like it.

To us old heads it's good for the game and funny to watch these so called fans wetting themselves.

 

[SK1NT]

For all of my life Man U have been the dominant team in English football. Unfortunately my interest in football at the age of 8 tied in nicely with the start of their dominance. I have had enough of their plastic fans, laughing at me (im a spurs fan) and yet never having been to a game. I am loving their demise and their fans tantrums.

I do generally believe SAF was a good manager the endless list of titles and the very average team he won the league with last year was something special and proved this. However the magic has gone and teams are now no longer fearing them. The Old Trafford hoodoo has been lifted and teams are going for the win.

Long may they slide and hopefully get relegated so I won't have to endure the blight on the landscape of southern chavs in man u shirts that has been torturing my eyes for years 2 decades.

 

[Bwian]

For all of my life Man U have been the dominant team in English football. Unfortunately my interest in football at the age of 8 tied in nicely with the start of their dominance. I have had enough of their plastic fans, laughing at me (im a spurs fan) and yet never having been to a game. I am loving their demise and their fans tantrums.

I do generally believe SAF was a good manager the endless list of titles and the very average team he won the league with last year was something special and proved this. However the magic has gone and teams are now no longer fearing them. The Old Trafford hoodoo has been lifted and teams are going for the win.

Long may they slide and hopefully get relegated so I won't have to endure the blight on the landscape of southern chavs in man u shirts that has been torturing my eyes for years 2 decades.

I feel the same about Tottingham/Arse/Man Utd/Chelsea shirts in and around Brighton. Thankfully, Brighton shirts now massively outnumber glory hunter shirts and long may that continue.

 

[red star portslade]

Manchester United were once the Goliath of English football, then along came David.....