York Mosque shows the way for all of us

[Soulman]

Not meant to be patronizing, may have come across like that, if it did i apologise.

I have to say though, I am confused about your feelings towards the EDL.

You want radical Islam stopped. You are not a member of the EDL but you do agree with some of their views.



You don't want to tell me so I guess we will leave it there.

Have a good day.

Youv'e got it BF, youv'e sussed it. I am not a member of the EDL and i want radical Islam stopped.......there are plenty like minded as well.
Off to work now.....have a nice day.

 

[daveinprague]

Al-Muhajiroun - Al-Muhajiroun (Arabic: المهاجرون‎; The Emigrants) is a banned Islamist terrorist organisation that was based in Britain

Al Ghurabaa and the Saved Sect is the same people... On July 17, 2006 the group was proscribed under legislation in Britain outlawing organizations that support terrorism

Islam4UK - Islam4UK were a radical Islamist terrorist group that operated in the United Kingdom. The group was proscribed under the UK's Counter terrorism laws on 14 January 2010

Call to submission - Cant see anything about this one..


Islamic Path - Cant see anything about this one..


London school of sharia - cant see anything about this one.

You will have to give me further details for the last 3.

4 out of the seven you quoted are banned groups...the last three...After a quick look, I cannot find anything on the internet about them...
not sure what your point about them is?

 

[BadFish]

Youv'e got it BF, youv'e sussed it. I am not a member of the EDL and i want radical Islam stopped.......there are plenty like minded as well.
Off to work now.....have a nice day.

So why spend so much time defending the EDL?......still don't get it sorry.

Have a good day at work!

 

[Soulman]

Not meant to be patronizing, may have come across like that, if it did i apologise.

I have to say though, I am confused about your feelings towards the EDL.

You want radical Islam stopped. You are not a member of the EDL but you do agree with some of their views.

You don't want to tell me so I guess we will leave it there.

Have a good day.

I thought i had answered you question on numerous occasions. Anyway here is a copy of my post from 2/6/ at 22-50.
Hi, and thanks for a genuine post.
Firstly it is not just the white English that are getting concerned about radical muslims. Other religions are concerned especially religions and colours that could be mistaken for muslims, they are coming under pressure from the uneducated, some as you know from groups mentioned who lump all in one box. Their concerns are the media, always the headline "Asian" did this or that....Asian covers many countries, religions and colours.
Ok, the fact that grooming (there are now more than 54 cases, some outed, some to be outed) has been covered up for over 10 years, known about but the authorities were worried about upsetting people and angering them. Well now they are all coming out, the English people are annoyed and feel betrayed.
Ok, if an opinion, demo, tweet etc is against radical muslims, then they are dealt with...example, £350 fine and sometimes jail for burning a Koran, a £50 fine for burning the Poppy and the UJ.
Go to certain mosques and bookstalls and see the speech and literature on display....nothing done. A certain radical and his mates have dished out hate speech, all on video.....nothing done, except the main man has been moved out and given police protection.
Known terrorists allowed into the country, radicalising people, the chap that murdered Drummer Rigby was a known terrorist in Kenya, Kenya warned the UK, and he still was allowed to roam and then kill. Hell we can not even get rid of a radical that is wanted in his own country for terrorism.
Do you not think that putting up No Go areas/Sharia areas, no drinking, no gays etc is racist, sending children in the summer holidays from here to Pakistan for genital mutilation is wrong?.....or do we just turn a blind eye.
Perhaps if the UAF concentrated on these issues as well, then the media would not be obsessed with a group of English people waving flags and shouting, who actually have not beheaded, killed blown up, or mutilated any young girls bodies, or as far as i know groomed young muslim teenagers.
In fact, let's have a level playing field, proper reporting for the sake of other religions in this country, that are equally upset and annoyed.
If these radicals are a small minority as we are told, and the majority of muslims are against them, then round them up for the good of all.
By the way, much has been said about moderate muslims coming out against the radicals, well in Ilford (which has a very large muslim population (very near though to a well know n radical), some good muslims arranged a march in support of Drummer Rigby.........30 turned up.......30, many were warned off and threatened.
As for walking down the street or pub, of course no problem down in good old Sussex By The Sea, can not say the same for other areas that i have worked in though.

 

[User removed 4]

I had the same type of rhetoric, a few months back , I quote, "you spiteful **** , i will without doubt find you and have you say that to my face, you've bitten off more than you can chew now". etc on my PM. All air pie and breezy soup as he didn't go as far as turning up at my house, or catching up with me, or indeed doing much else at all once I told him to calm down. Let's face it, he's a soft handed financier from Haywards Heath, not much to get concerned about. He knows what he did, we all do.

Let me know where you live and i will , or alternatively name a time and place , publicly ,on here ,and I'll be there , but you won't, you'll be just like tubthumper and slide out of it, unfortunately for him, I know his name, what he looks like , and when he's in England, where he lives, so I'll say one last time , name a time and place on here and I'll be there.

 

[daveinprague]

Dear lord...

 

[BadFish]

Dear lord...

Dear Allah..!

 

[User removed 4]

The demonisation of Jews was nothing new in Germany in the 30s; anti semitism in old "Germany" is as old as the bible. The Nazis didn't invent anti semitism in the 30s they merely fanned the centuries old embers. Unfortunately for the majority of Jews post WW1 many Germans attributed the rise of traitorous Bolshevism to leading Jewish activists who were involved in bringing down the German state that precipitated the surrender of Germany in 1918. An unfortunate interpretation of events as it turned out but then centuries old ingrained anti semitism in Germany is still nothing like the current situation of Islam in he UK.

I agree that challenge is difficult however it was you that indicated it had to happen in a context that did not encourage the fascists. You recognise that Islam has misogynist tendencies, so how is that confronted in the UK? Surely the burka is emblematic of a medieval outlook that has absolutely no point of reference in the UK? How do you think Emaline Pankhurst would assess the position?

Whilst I appreciate you see it as a side show it nevertheless goes to the heart to how others who do not posses your benevolent outlook feel when confronted with the burka on the streets of the UK. As indicated previously to many it is offensive and representative of a form of cultural occupation..........to them it's imposition will feel very much like a one way street............what is the benefit of the burka to wider UK society? Seriously...........what do you think? I can't see one myself.

But if not the burka should we ban arranged marriages to second cousins that creates a disturbing rate of genetic disorders in the happy couples progenies...........how would you feel about confronting that particular cultural issue?

PS. I will ignore your apologist sensitivities that the UK's foreign policy has created this problem because that gives lie to the prospect that you don't want to confront at all.............which can't be true.............confronted are not appeasers. If it was it would be the first link to the 30s I would agree with.

it's the marriage of FIRST cousins which is causing the genetic illnesses with Pakistani muslims.

 

[BadFish]

I thought i had answered you question on numerous occasions. Anyway here is a copy of my post from 2/6/ at 22-50.
Hi, and thanks for a genuine post.
Firstly it is not just the white English that are getting concerned about radical muslims. Other religions are concerned especially religions and colours that could be mistaken for muslims, they are coming under pressure from the uneducated, some as you know from groups mentioned who lump all in one box. Their concerns are the media, always the headline "Asian" did this or that....Asian covers many countries, religions and colours.
Ok, the fact that grooming (there are now more than 54 cases, some outed, some to be outed) has been covered up for over 10 years, known about but the authorities were worried about upsetting people and angering them. Well now they are all coming out, the English people are annoyed and feel betrayed.
Ok, if an opinion, demo, tweet etc is against radical muslims, then they are dealt with...example, £350 fine and sometimes jail for burning a Koran, a £50 fine for burning the Poppy and the UJ.
Go to certain mosques and bookstalls and see the speech and literature on display....nothing done. A certain radical and his mates have dished out hate speech, all on video.....nothing done, except the main man has been moved out and given police protection.
Known terrorists allowed into the country, radicalising people, the chap that murdered Drummer Rigby was a known terrorist in Kenya, Kenya warned the UK, and he still was allowed to roam and then kill. Hell we can not even get rid of a radical that is wanted in his own country for terrorism.
Do you not think that putting up No Go areas/Sharia areas, no drinking, no gays etc is racist, sending children in the summer holidays from here to Pakistan for genital mutilation is wrong?.....or do we just turn a blind eye.
Perhaps if the UAF concentrated on these issues as well, then the media would not be obsessed with a group of English people waving flags and shouting, who actually have not beheaded, killed blown up, or mutilated any young girls bodies, or as far as i know groomed young muslim teenagers.
In fact, let's have a level playing field, proper reporting for the sake of other religions in this country, that are equally upset and annoyed.
If these radicals are a small minority as we are told, and the majority of muslims are against them, then round them up for the good of all.
By the way, much has been said about moderate muslims coming out against the radicals, well in Ilford (which has a very large muslim population (very near though to a well know n radical), some good muslims arranged a march in support of Drummer Rigby.........30 turned up.......30, many were warned off and threatened.
As for walking down the street or pub, of course no problem down in good old Sussex By The Sea, can not say the same for other areas that i have worked in though.

Am I missing something?
I understand your concerns about radical Islam, I agree with some of it. What I don't get is why you have spent so much time defending the ED?L
Why you feel they represent or share the same views as you. I also don't understand which views they are (apart from concerns about radical Islam but that connection is amongst most of us).

 

[King of Birds]

The demonisation of Jews was nothing new in Germany in the 30s; anti semitism in old "Germany" is as old as the bible. The Nazis didn't invent anti semitism in the 30s they merely fanned the centuries old embers. Unfortunately for the majority of Jews post WW1 many Germans attributed the rise of traitorous Bolshevism to leading Jewish activists who were involved in bringing down the German state that precipitated the surrender of Germany in 1918. An unfortunate interpretation of events as it turned out but then centuries old ingrained anti semitism in Germany is still nothing like the current situation of Islam in he UK.

I agree that challenge is difficult however it was you that indicated it had to happen in a context that did not encourage the fascists. You recognise that Islam has misogynist tendencies, so how is that confronted in the UK? Surely the burka is emblematic of a medieval outlook that has absolutely no point of reference in the UK? How do you think Emaline Pankhurst would assess the position?

Whilst I appreciate you see it as a side show it nevertheless goes to the heart to how others who do not posses your benevolent outlook feel when confronted with the burka on the streets of the UK. As indicated previously to many it is offensive and representative of a form of cultural occupation..........to them it's imposition will feel very much like a one way street............what is the benefit of the burka to wider UK society? Seriously...........what do you think? I can't see one myself.

But if not the burka should we ban arranged marriages to second cousins that creates a disturbing rate of genetic disorders in the happy couples progenies...........how would you feel about confronting that particular cultural issue?

PS. I will ignore your apologist sensitivities that the UK's foreign policy has created this problem because that gives lie to the prospect that you don't want to confront at all.............which can't be true.............confronted are not appeasers. If it was it would be the first link to the 30s I would agree with.

My only response to all that is that your general condescending tone does nothing to further what relevant arguments you make, it just makes you sound a bit of a dick. Feel free to carry on getting off on your own type though fella.

 

[Albumen]

it's the marriage of FIRST cousins which is causing the genetic illnesses with Pakistani muslims.

Hi, interesting statement. Do you have any scientific info to back this up?

 

[Hillian1]

Let me know where you live and i will , or alternatively name a time and place , publicly ,on here ,and I'll be there , but you won't, you'll be just like tubthumper and slide out of it, unfortunately for him, I know his name, what he looks like , and when he's in England, where he lives, so I'll say one last time , name a time and place on here and I'll be there.

Bushy, are you ok mate?

You seem to be uber aggressive of late.

 

[User removed 4]

Hi, interesting statement. Do you have any scientific info to back this up?

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-in-children-says-sharon-kingman-1483250.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...ities-due-to-cousin-marriages-every-year.html

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(05)62394-X/fulltext

 

[cunning fergus]

Maybe there are some of those things we can stop doing? Personally I think that minding our own business and not trying to install leaders to secure cheap oil would be a good start.

Like I said I am not an Islamic fundamentalist so I don't know the full list of grievances.

Your first point is fair, I agree with that too (ironically its entirely consistent with the foreign policy of the BNP) fact is the Govt responsible for that has been voted out, and UK troops are out of Iraq. What more can be done now?

Nonetheless, looking at the grievances you provided, and given that they in the ballpark, what about the one below:

"Muslims perceive that the West has contributed to the corroding of "morality with the flow of alcoholism, drugs, materialism, sexual immorality, and arrogance through movies, television"

Given the anger Muslims feel about these matters, what aspects of UK society do you think we should change and/or compromise so that we can accommodate Muslim sensitivities and prevent future murders on the streets?

If the subject matter is still too broad.....................why not focus on morality with alcohol? What can we do? Or how about Sexual Immorality? So for example, do you think we should we pull the gay marriage bill? If not are we doing irreparable damage by implementing it...................will we make them angry?

 

[User removed 4]

Bushy, are you ok mate?

You seem to be uber aggressive of late.

I'm fine mate , just can't stand keyboard keyboardwarriors being personally offensive , as are a couple of people on here.

 

[King of Birds]

Let me know where you live and i will , or alternatively name a time and place , publicly ,on here ,and I'll be there , but you won't, you'll be just like tubthumper and slide out of it, unfortunately for him, I know his name, what he looks like , and when he's in England, where he lives, so I'll say one last time , name a time and place on here and I'll be there.

Grow up.

 

[Nibble]

Let me know where you live and i will , or alternatively name a time and place , publicly ,on here ,and I'll be there , but you won't, you'll be just like tubthumper and slide out of it, unfortunately for him, I know his name, what he looks like , and when he's in England, where he lives, so I'll say one last time , name a time and place on here and I'll be there.

No thanks.

 

[daveinprague]

I can only see one keyboard warrior on this thread? Am I missing something?

 

[brightonrock]

I think it's great that a potentially violent demonstration was diffused in such a good natured and traditionally 'English' way. It only goes to prove that (a) Most Muslims are as disgusted by events in Woolwich as anyone else, and don't condone such violence in their name, and (b) Not all EDL supporters are rabid, racist thugs - some are angry but willing to enter a dialogue and come to an understanding.

It's also nice to see NSC has produced a thread on Islam that hasn't descended into a 24-page willy-waving and name-calling binfest (containing few facts and many exaggerated and parody-esque anecdotes), having been hijacked by furiously impotent close-minded bigots and over-sensitive self-righteous left-wing flag-wavers.

Oh, wait.

 

[BadFish]

Your first point is fair, I agree with that too (ironically its entirely consistent with the foreign policy of the BNP) fact is the Govt responsible for that has been voted out, and UK troops are out of Iraq. What more can be done now?

Nonetheless, looking at the grievances you provided, and given that they in the ballpark, what about the one below:

"Muslims perceive that the West has contributed to the corroding of "morality with the flow of alcoholism, drugs, materialism, sexual immorality, and arrogance through movies, television"

Given the anger Muslims feel about these matters, what aspects of UK society do you think we should change and/or compromise so that we can accommodate Muslim sensitivities and prevent future murders on the streets?

If the subject matter is still too broad.....................why not focus on morality with alcohol? What can we do? Or how about Sexual Immorality? So for example, do you think we should we pull the gay marriage bill? If not are we doing irreparable damage by implementing it...................will we make them angry?

I appreciate the point you are making but I don't really feel comfortable talking for radical Muslims but my guess is that the bit you have honed in on here would not be so much of an issue were it not for the (IMHO) more important issue of bombing, trampling over and sticking our noses into business of none of our concern in their holy lands.

I appreciate that the UK troops are out of Iraq but it cannot be said that The Wests influence is no longer in the middle east. We are sticing our noses into the situation in Syria, still willy waving with Iran and the situation in Israel/Palestine show no sign of improving anytime soon.